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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: steve kammerer who wrote (2611)	10/21/2003 7:30:54 PM
From: Scoobah	Respond to of 22250

Anything concerning Israel that comes from the UN is not to be taken seriously, so posting anything from them to evidence fact is false on its face: Apparently the fear that arabs will outnumber jews in jerusalem is also false: Jerusalem's population fell by 67,000 in past decade; capital has 67% Jews, 33% Arabs By Nadav Shragai Some 164,400 people have left Jerusalem over the last decade, while only 97,300 new residents have moved into the capital, according to the data published in the latest edition of the Statistical Yearbook of Jerusalem. Dr. Maya Choshen, the editor of the yearbook, told Haaretz that a relatively high proportion of those who have left are presumed to be secular, while a relatively high proportion of those moving into the city were religious. Nevertheless, she said, ultra-Orthodox Jews accounted for some 20 to 25 percent of all those who left the city from 1993 to 2002. For 2002 itself, the figures were almost identical to the average for the decade: Some 16,400 people left the city, compared to an annual average of 16,440, and 9,700 moved in, compared to an average of 9,730. In 2002, Jews constituted 67 percent of the city's population of 680,400 and Arabs constituted 33 percent. This represents a proportional decline in the city's Jewish population. Furthermore, the Arab population is far younger than the Jewish population: While 31 percent of the Jews are aged 14 or younger, 42 percent of the Arabs are in this age range. This is largely due to the higher Arab birthrate - an average of 4.12 children per woman, compared to 3.78 for Jewish women. Nevertheless, while the Arab growth rate continues to drastically outpace the Jewish rate, it is slowly declining: The Jewish population has grown by about 1 percent a year for the last four years (the rate was 0.9 percent in 2002), but the Arab growth rate has declined from 4 percent in 1999 to 3 percent in 2002. The yearbook is published by the Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies. The new edition, for 2002, is due out shortly.

To: steve kammerer who wrote (2611)	10/21/2003 8:39:23 PM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Steve, before you call someone inane, perhaps you ought to figure out what you are trying to prove. You quote one battle in a long war. The War of Independence didn't take a week. There were many brutal battles. Your post admits that the Arabs fled. From what I've read, the Arabs thought they would defeat the Jews and encouraged their people to leave. You quote one easy battle. What's the point? It doesn't prove anything was stolen. Jews lost land in areas that became controlled by Arabs. Jews were routed from the Arab lands in general as has been posted many times here. It's really quite foolish to go back and forth. There have been Jews in the land that is now Israel for 5000 years. For the sake of analogy, imagine if the Israelis had lost just one of the wars - 1946, 1967 or 1975. We wouldn't be talking about niceties. The Jews would have been exterminated.