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To: tejek who wrote (176888)	11/3/2003 4:36:44 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572161

That's pure speculation. Any statement about what would have happened if things had been different are of course speculation. But this speculation is backed by the fact that the Arab governments didn't turn over control of the smaller amount of land that they conquered to the Palestinians. If they had been more successful in 1947 I don't think they would have changed their minds about letting Palestinians control the land. and even if the Arab nations kept it under their control, it would not have meant the dislocation of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They still would have been dislocated but they might have returned after the war. Well some parts of Israel are still no wider than 30-40 miles and the Zionists were sure happy with their share back in 1947 which was considerably greater than the Palestinian share. I don't think most of them where exactly happy with their share in 1947, they where willing to accept it because they couldn't get more. That hardly constitutes a huge amount and it agrees with my earlier statement that the Jews did not truly come into the picture until the 20th century. 1882 is not "the 20th century". So here you are......farming and ranching the land for centuries and this group of people start to move in and within 50 years have taken over. Kindof like Texas. Should we return it to Mexico? Its called gentrification and psses people when fellow Americans do it.* Gentrification may upset people but it isn't an injustice and it doesn't justify violence. .imagine if they are foreigners of a different culture and religion. You would be pssed too.* Not with gentrification, but of course the situation in the Middle East (and in Text in the 19th century and in many other places) was a bit more then gentrification. Secondly, like I said, they only started to own the land since 1920. The Palestinians had owned the land much earlier. "Not true. They owned some of the land at least as far back as the late 1800s if not earlier." See above-----.5% of the land as of 1895. A very small amount. Other sources give different percentages. It is a small percentage in any case but any percentage including less then .5% would be enough to support my statement "Not true" about your statement "they only started to own the land since 1920". In any case even if they didn't own land until 1920 that is over 80 years ago, and a generation before the first Arab/Israeli war. "You have said that you want Israel to go back to its border under the 47 plan. Israel would not only be giving up the West Bank, half of Jerusalem, and Gaza, it would be giving up a big chunk of land that is internationally recognized as part of Israel." Back to the 1947 plan would give them 56% of the land and actually they would have more......probably closer to 60% with Jerusalem. Its not likely that they will ever give up Jerusalem. Sixty % is more than fair. Jerusalem means you aren't going back to the 1947 plan. The 56% your talking about includes a lot of the Negev desert in the south. The land given to the Palestinians wouldn't just be the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, but also more land around the West Bank plus land in the North bordering Lebanon. What's left of Israel would not be contigious and would be even narrower then the pre 67 borders. Instead of 13 miles wide at one point and wider at most other points it would be less then 13 miles for the whole length of the most important and populous territory that was left to Israel. The map doesn't have a scale but it looks like it could be as narrow as 5 miles. knesset.gov.il Found Better maps mideastweb.org en.wikipedia.org Some more info "On November 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations voted with a 2/3 majority to partition western Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state.(1) The Jews were to be granted what appears on the map in blue. Over 75% of the land allocated to the Jews was desert. Desperate to find a haven for the remnants of European Jewry after the Holocaust, the Jewish population accepted the plan which accorded them a diminished state. The Arabs, intent on preventing any Jewish entity in Palestine, rejected it.(2) jafi.org.il Are you getting the 1949 line confused with the 1947 line? The 1949 line is in the lower right corner of this link, the big map is the 1947 line domino.un.org