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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (480692)	10/23/2003 8:06:05 PM
From: George Coyne	Respond to of 769670

I would be VERY surprised if AS doesn't ignore these points as she does whenever she is nailed! Very true, govt. procurement occurs in geologic time.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (480692)	10/23/2003 8:11:52 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

There are many instance when big weapons systems are utter wastes of money. Overkill. We need money to educate kids, take care of health and the environment, build roads, do good things for people and the planet. Weapons of mass destruction are not what we need to be spending our money on unless they're absolutely needed. While Bushies fully fund gigantic weapons systems I notice our troops in Iraq dont even have the basic bulletproof vests needed despite the biggest defense spending increases in history. Also, I see vet benefits being on the table to cut and wounded soldiers being charged for food and made to wait hous for appointments. I also see troop morale in Iraq as being poor and the whole post-war poorly planned. These are what we should be trying to fix, not if Cheney's cronies get another 20 billion to build more experimental nukes to obliterate third world capitols.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (480692)	10/23/2003 8:25:21 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

You're talking about the post Cold War/pre 9-11 world. That was an era when we didn't need any military build-up. Things have changed since then. When you have to re-double your efforts to root our terrorism, you have to raise defense and intelligence budgets. But once the jobs is more or less done, they can come back down again. There has been no credible threat against the USA for 20-30 years. The huge defense budgets of the Reagan era needed to be trimmed back then held in place. That got bi-partisan support. I'd say that's smart, not weak. And you don't see us lacking any jets or artillery now. What we ARE lacking though is smart leadership and an administration which cares about our troops and vets having a half-decent standard of living. We're also lacking honesty at the top. Those are both things Kerry will deliver. You assertion that all defence contracts were the responsibility of Republicans is ridiculous. The one true item is your post is that Kerry voted against the Gulf War. That was a mistake. One of the few he's ever made.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (480692)	10/23/2003 8:41:43 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Kerry wasn't even in the Senate when most of those programs you list were funded. So how could he have voted to start or nix them? If you're talking about the post Cold War defense cutbacks, fine, Americans were in full agreement we needed to slash the bloated deficit-spending by the Pentagon. We didn't have a super power enemy anymore after all. What BS RNC site did you get this off of anyway? I know Enron's former #1 lobbyist during the phony energy crisis Ed Gillespie is running around throwing inaccurate dirt at Kerry on this issue. Ed Gillespie, a professional liar and cheat who ought to be locked up in prison for white collar crimes. Bush's choice to run the party. What stinkers.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (480692)	10/23/2003 8:54:05 PM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

In real terms, Bush will spend more on defense in 8 years to fight terror than we spend to fight world war 2. We are spending an absolutely absurd amount of money on defense.