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To: Bilow who wrote (117618)	10/24/2003 6:12:31 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

The Spy Who Was Thrown Into the Cold truthout.org

To: Bilow who wrote (117618)	10/24/2003 7:10:49 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The problem with saying there is success in the war on terror is that there is no baseline for comparison. There is no way of knowing whether or not just doing the same as we had been would have produced the same results or not, ie. no attacks on the USA. It's not like we were inundated with terrorist attacks for years before 9-11 and now they have been stopped. There were no terror attacks on US soil before 9-11. We're not safer than we were before! Bush is being very disingenuous when he says we are winning the war on terror. Who can say that the billions spent in the war on terror, the development of the new gestapo, oops, I mean the Dept of Homeland Security and other changes has had any effect at all on the level of terror directed at the USA? It is only an article of faith that anyone chooses to believe that Al Qaeda was responsible for 9-11 considering there is no evidence they did it.So who's to say Bush bankrupting the USA has had any beneficial results in "the war on [fake] terror".

To: Bilow who wrote (117618)	10/24/2003 8:46:20 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

the war on Terror is going so well that Rumsfeld is bored. Instead of working on an already solved problem, he whiles away the day with speculation. But isn't it interesting how the Guardian's of the world can spin a memo full of speculation and fairly constructive questions into an "admission" of "doubts" - and of not knowing whether we are winning or losing the war? I would guess that the leak was deliberate, btw...