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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (481888)10/27/2003 4:45:50 AM
From: Rick McDougall  Respond to of 769670
 
<We now live in an ersatz Disneyesque imitation of a democracy.>.......why surprised?.......I've worked with people that think John Wayne settled the West????????



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (481888)10/27/2003 1:26:47 PM
From: MSI  Respond to of 769670
 
The Detroit Dem debate was a hopeful sign that not everybody is breathing the Washington smoke.

The audience came to its feet on a number occasions, and roundly applaused the pro-American/anti-oligarch stands by all the candidates. The candidates aren't seasoned yet, but a good size portion of the population is hungry for the truth. This was Detroit, who's been dealt economic blows for 20 years, so you've got some real emotion against this administration.

As expected, Sharpton got in the rousing slogans, but is getting more polished and didn't go overboard. Someone asked about the stupid crusading general, and his comment was the battle is between "the Christian Right and the right Christians!" etc. He's going to be a real asset to the Dems if they use him in the campaign, and afterwards. What I thought of as a race-oriented thug in NY in the Tawnya Brawley deal seems to have risen above that.

Kerry's writers gave him a couple good one-liners. Asked about his rep for being boring, "Wait 'til you see my new video, 'Kerry Gone Wild'". LOL! Pretty good.

Dean needs a few one-liners to lighten up the debate for audience consumption. He doesn't use handlers, and he's also got a habit of muttering to himself when an opponent is lying about him, and of course the camera goes right to Dean to watch his reaction. It's amusing, but he should lose that tendency.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (481888)10/27/2003 1:48:03 PM
From: MSI  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
An interesting note about the after-debate discussion on Fox with uber-neocon William Kristol and PBS supposed-lefty Juan Williams. Kristol complained that none of the other candidates "laid a glove" on Dean, and wondered why, etc.

Judging by body language it was the first time I've seen Kristol show fear, instead of the usual unmitigated Wolfowitz-type arrogance.

It may be these neocons are afraid not so much of Dean himself, but that he represents an anger and demand for accountability that might be out of their Goebbels-like control.

I don't think it was the audience reaction, which applauded Dean no more than Sharpton's one-liners. More likely it's the substance of Dean's message, making him the "anti-neocon": (1)he keeps on the simple message - the Iraq war was a mistake, or (2)he's raising 3X more money than his competitors from grassroots at average $75 each, campaigning on issues rather than polemics. This means his listeners may be less susceptible to the upcoming avalanche of GOP negative propaganda. That's much more powerful and worrisome than the machine politics of the other leading candidates.

One thing is for sure - Dean, like Wellstone before him, is giving cover for the rest of the opposition to find their cojones, Dems and Repubs alike.