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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (78381)	10/27/2003 9:56:35 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You must think I want quotas. Nope But the leg is stuck. Young or not, I know inequality when I see it. And it isn't there because women and minorities just aren't "trying" hard enough. It's there for another reason. I think we know what that reason is. Sure, things are better- but they aren't to where they should be (imo, of course). Ignoring the problem isn't, imo, the way to go.

To: Lane3 who wrote (78381)	10/27/2003 12:35:02 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

forget sometimes how much younger than me you are. That, I think, is a major point. If you are looking at the change in black progress from 1990 to 2000 as your frame of reference, then it looks as though only incremental, not fundamental, progress has been made. But if you lived through the days of Brown vs. Board of Education, the March on Washington, Watts, Chicago, etc., the changes are enormous and obvious, and the systematic and structural barriers that stood in the way of black advancement are gone. At this point, there exist, as far as I know, no legal impediments for minorities based on race, as existed when you and I were growing up. No society on earth has ever provided actual 100% identicality for all gender and racial groups, and none ever will. If you keep discriminatory programs in place until you have achieved that, they will be in place forever, at enormous cost to the society.