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To: Cyprian who wrote (2279)	10/27/2003 4:39:56 PM
From: SOROS	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

"oh really? ever heard of lucifer? was he not in heaven in holy communion with God at one time? would you not consider lucifer "saved"? yet he was cast out from heaven to the pit. " Lucifer was not created in the image of God. He had choice, but he did not have the same relationship as God did with Adam. Lucifer was not "saved" in the same sense. There was no "salvation" to lose. And yes, I do not think Judas was ever truly saved, however, I don't think it is completely clear. I suppose someone (including Judas) could accept God's gift and then make a decision to revoke that and basically say they were misled and no longer accept it as truth. But, I think it would take this complete type of an action in order to give up salvation once accepted. If you believe the "he who endures to the end" has anything to do with keeping laws or living a sin-free life, then Heaven will be empty indeed. Man is frail and weak, and even when a believer desires to serve and keep pure, they usually fail. Even as David was breaking all of God's wishes, he was still "after God's heart." "Narrow is the path" means narrow, not closed. I remain, SOROS

To: Cyprian who wrote (2279)	10/27/2003 10:28:48 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

#1 - It doesn't say anywhere that salvation was ever offered to Angels. #2 - Judas betrayed Jesus before Jesus had finished His work and salvation was offered. When were the disciples born again? It could not have been until Jesus had risen. It said the devil entered into Judas. If Judas was occupied by the Holy Spirit the devil could not have entered judas. The Holy Spirit was given in Acts after Jesus ascended. I think we can all find that in Acts. You're being legalistic. I don't live under the law.