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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (177209)	10/28/2003 1:37:10 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1587368

you and Al didn't live through it...or were not of meaningful age. Assuming that was true, and it is not in my case ( I missed the draft by a luck of the lottery draw), so what? I agree with your principal point. Vietnam was a mistake. A mistake that should have tought this nation a lasting lesson. And yet here we are...back at it, invading a country that has not done a thing to us. And the justification based on a pack of lies. With our kids doing the dirty work again and dying for questionable ideologies, with politicians that have miscalculated before and will again, just as they did on Vietman, no matter what side of the political spectrum they come from. They screw up and innocent people die or a scarred for life. Self defense? I am all for it. Sign me up. Pre-emption....it disgusts me. Al

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (177209)	10/28/2003 7:07:54 PM
From: Road Walker	Respond to of 1587368

Jim, re: Vietnam 2. We lost because we didn't pull out all the stops to win. How many more kids did you want to lose, 100,000, 200,000? What could we have done, marched to Hanoi, how many would that have killed? Nuked them? But's it's a "feel good" sentiment to say we really didn't try after you lose a war. Little kids do that on the playground all the time, "I wasn't really trying", makes em feel better. 5. Nixon got us out and ended the draft maybe not as fast as some would have liked. That's one of the things Nixon gets a lot of credit for, IMO. It takes more balls to admit a mistake and stop a war than it takes to start one, or continue one. Johnson knew the war was wrong, it was killing him, but he didn't have the guts to "lose". re: He and Kennedy the set the seeds for a lot of the problems we have to day, foreign and domestic. Be specific. re: 7. The key turning point that I and most historians saw at the time is that when we stopped boming Hanoi and it's supply lines the tide turned in favor of the Cong and North Vietnamese Army. The key turning point was when we entered the war; we should have never been involved. The domino theory, that if one country turns communist they will all fall, has been discredited, by history. It was a bad justification, and bad justifications lead to bad wars (witness Iraq). Now we have the Bush admin working the reverse domino theory (LOL), that if one ME nations falls to democracy, they will all fall. Idiots. Reinstate the draft and make folks pay the taxes for war up front. Then listen to the level of debate. This is a credit card war fought with other peoples kids. It's so easy. John