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To: epicure who wrote (118169)	10/31/2003 12:18:34 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

heard today that $500M Fed Funds is on its way to CA. Speculation - coincidentally with the Gov Elect's visit to DC. although not to clear remaining dead wood/fuel stock pile, but towards aid to the people of CA. I dont mind chipping in - one day I may need help from someone else. but the politics of it stinks.

To: epicure who wrote (118169)	10/31/2003 3:46:09 PM
From: Alastair McIntosh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It seems that the so-called environmentalists carry a good share of the blame for preventing the removal of excess fuel from the forests: foxnews.com (I realize that some discount anything from Fox, but maybe there is a lesson here.) "Our forests are detonating like napalm bombs. We need to remove dead and dying bug-killed timber," said Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif. Is this Monday-morning quarterbacking spurred by the wildfires now raging in California? Hardly. Rep. Herger uttered those words in August 1994 as part of his demand that Congress declare a state of emergency in federal forests to permit quick removal of dead trees, fallen branches and other debris that fuel wildfires -- like those that burned 3 million Western acres and killed 14 firefighters that year. A spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council (search) responded at the time by calling Rep. Herger’s demand “a pretext for accelerated logging in the Sierra Nevada.” Nine years later, though, Rep. Herger’s demand is looking pretty prescient. Over 700,000 acres have burned so far this year in California alone, along with the loss of 20 lives and more than 2,600 homes destroyed. Last year, wildfires burned nearly 7 million acres, killed 23 firefighters, destroyed more than 800 homes and cost taxpayers more than $1.5 billion. So what do the environmentalists have to say? A spokesperson for the Natural Resources Defense Council called President Bush’s proposed plan to prevent forest fires by thinning excess growth “a Trojan horse” for sneaking through logging (search) projects. As the Western forests burn -- and people die and homes are destroyed -- environmentalists and their political allies in Congress only seem concerned that some “old growth” trees may be cut in the process of thinning the nation’s tinder traps. Their nonsensical opposition to thinning only makes it easier for wildfires to spread out of control... (Continues)

To: epicure who wrote (118169)	10/31/2003 11:32:27 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Yes x, <<Disasters and debacles happen everywhere- regardless of politics and economics.>> You are so right.. Maybe, just maybe, we (as humans) should address more of the fact and ACCEPT that US (us small letters) are moving into wild areas where wild fires happen.. Where things happen.. We went through it.. Where TECHNOLOGY, the savior of ALL, we think, of everything, will not save (us). We evacuated once and had to spend a sleepness night wondering, but we accepted it.. What the Hell, we knew... Nature is powerful, more so than US with all our technology.. m P.S. Can you imagine if a Repug govenor asked for help from the Clinton Admin. for forest cleanup (not that it would have helped) PRIOR to the fires down there.. And it was TURNED down.. Gawd could only help him from that wrath of those anti....here and yon including THOSE in drug rehab...