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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (118237)	11/1/2003 2:28:36 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>This is deeply undemocratic<< THIS..Nadine...is the E-P-I-T-O-M-Y of democracy! You seem to have missed a very important line here : " Although the Accord does not commit the governments of either party. " You see,they have merely provided an alternative for consideration, and if the people(s) in those lands embrace this alternative concept,then they will all be better off for it due to its peaceful nature. So yer buddy Sharon can, like you, dismiss it outright because it did not come from the Knesset(sp), or he/they can give it the consideration it deserves and put it up for discussion. That, Nadine, IS democracy. Period. KC PS : To further that thought. When we hear the Repubs. in America cry out that the DEms. can only bash Bush and not come up with alternatives, what exactly do you think they are asking for? A better plan, of course. Get it?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (118237)	11/1/2003 3:42:10 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Israelis, Palestinians hint at reviving road map Associated Press UPDATED AT 2:17 PM EST Saturday, Nov. 1, 2003 ( Yes, Sharon knows his time is being marked and an alternative is about to be presented.Whatever works, eh?) Ramallah, West Bank — Palestinian leaders welcomed Israeli offers to resume peace talks Saturday but said any negotiations must come with efforts to stop violence and halt Jewish settlement building. A new round of meetings also depends in part on whether the Palestinians can complete formation of a new government in the coming days. Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, who is leading an emergency government with a one-month mandate, has until Tuesday to form a full Cabinet. He has been unable to do so, mainly because of intense wrangling with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat over ministerial choices. In the West Bank city of Nablus Saturday, a Palestinian man riding a motorcycle was shot and killed in a refugee camp. The military said soldiers shot the man after he refused calls to stop, ignored warning shots and fled from troops. The military said the man, Mohammed Hamad, 23, was lightly wounded in the leg. But an Associated Press reporter saw the man's body in a hospital morgue with two gunshot wounds to the chest. In another development, legislators from Mr. Arafat's Fatah faction nominated a hard-liner, Rafiq al-Natche, to be parliament speaker, a position Mr. Qureia left vacant when he became prime minister. In speeches made as a lawmaker, Mr. al-Natche expressed that no compromises should be made on demands for a future Palestinian state with a capital in Arab parts of Jerusalem and the right of war refugees to return to Israel. Though parliament speakers generally don't have any role in negotiations, whoever holds the post would become acting leader in the event that something would happen to Mr. Arafat. Israel has threatened to send Mr. Arafat into exile. New Israeli-Palestinian contacts would likely try to pick up the stalled U.S.-backed “road map” peace plan, which aims to end three years of fighting and create a Palestinian state alongside Israel. Progress on the first stages of the plan withered amid weeks of new fighting and the failure of both sides to meet their key obligations. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said earlier this week that he was willing to hold talks with Mr. Qureia, reversing previous Israeli suggestions that it would not deal with the new Palestinian prime minister because he was too close to Mr. Arafat. Both Israel and the United States have sought to sideline Mr. Arafat, believing he is closely linked to terrorism. Mr. Qureia responded Saturday, saying that no meeting with Mr. Sharon was immediately forthcoming, but there were contacts between the two sides. “We have not studied the issue of a meeting, but there are contacts with the Israelis,” Mr. Qureia said. At the same time, Mr. Qureia is trying to restart talks with Hamas and other militant groups aimed at persuading them to stop suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis. Israeli leaders rejected a similar course plotted by his predecessor, calling it insufficient and insisting the Palestinians dismantle the violent radical groups, a step required by the “road map” plan. Saeb Erekat, the Palestinian Cabinet minister in charge of negotiations, said the Palestinians were always ready for talks but Israel must stop construction in Jewish settlements built on West Bank and Gaza, lands the Palestinians want for a future state. “Those who want to resume a meaningful peace process, resume negotiations, must stop settlements, must stop walls, must stop the fait accompli policies ... and give the peace process the chance it deserves,” Mr. Erekat said. On Friday, Israeli media reported that Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz also planned to hold meetings next week with Palestinian officials. Thousands of Israelis were expected to gather late Saturday in a Tel Aviv plaza where Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was shot and killed to mark the eighth anniversary of his assassination by an extremist Jew opposed to his peace efforts. On Friday, vandals spray-painted graffiti on a memorial on the spot where Mr. Rabin was shot during a 1995 peace rally. Mr. Sharon phoned Mr. Rabin's daughter, former legislator Dalia Rabin-Pelossof, to express his shock at what he called an “ugly and horrible” act. The words “Kahane was right” — a reference to Rabbi Meir Kahane, an ultranationalist and anti-Arab leader — were also spray-painted on a poster of Mr. Rabin hung in the square. Workers used high-pressured water sprayers to clean white paint from the black memorial stones and plaque in the plaza