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To: Webster Groves who wrote (26801)	11/2/2003 5:31:10 AM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 206085

If the Constitution goes, the flag is meaningless. Tinhorn dictators all over the world tear up their constitutions then wrap themselves in empty symbols.

To: Webster Groves who wrote (26801)	11/2/2003 8:20:13 AM
From: chowder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 206085

>>> What's more important, the flag or the Constitution ? <<< I don't know that we should be separating the two but, in the narrow context of your question, and based on the fact that you want to make it an either or ....... This is an easy answer for me, based on my beliefs and philosophy. "It's the flag!" It's the flag that inspires the military man to put his life on the line. It was the flag they raised at Iwo Jima, not the Constitution, and it's the flag that they drape over the coffins of the fallen. Although we fight to protect what's in the Constitution, some of those rights don't mean a damn thing to some of us. We were, or are, willing to protect those rights for others, even though we could care less about some of those rights but, what we all have in common, is what the flag represents and means to us. I salute the flag, not the Constitution. I stand at attention for the flag, not the Constitution. The Constitution is there for those who are alive and are yet to live. It's the flag that represents all of that and those who have passed as well. I say the flag! dabum

To: Webster Groves who wrote (26801)	11/2/2003 9:14:09 PM
From: t4texas	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 206085

webster, you always crack me up with oil then comments. webster, i get a kick out of your comments about oil/osx/ng with the usual segue into cynicism about either the current administration or us politics (or vice versa). that's the big picture i have gotten from your posts. so when i came across this atlantic monthly article, i thought you might scan it or read it. it makes reference to a walt whitman essay, but the link does not work within the atlantic. i have included a link that does work for whitman. the atlantic article starts out like this: "Whenever I hear people say something stupid about America, which is often these days, I want to punch them in the nose and hand them Walt Whitman's 1871 essay "Democratic Vistas." The punch would temporarily stem the flow of idiocy, and the copy of "Democratic Vistas" would give them some accurate sense of what the United States is all about." theatlantic.com wyllie.lib.virginia.edu:8086/perl/toccer-new?id=WhiPro2.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=2&division=div2