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To: t4texas who wrote (26819)11/3/2003 1:33:13 PM
From: Webster Groves  Respond to of 206085
 
t4,

It's "comments", then "oil", not visa-versa.

Whitman would fit in well with current events. While exhorting the troops troops to fight for glory
during the War between the States, he himself remained safely ensconced as a government clerk well away from the fighting. Although it is said he helped and nursed the wounded and praised them for their courage, he never picked up a gun for the Union himself. Mind you Whitman was not an old man, but only in his mid-40s during the war. Many an older man fell in battle those days. Although surely a great poet, Whitman was not a model of the ideals he espoused. The parallels between then and now are even more apparent when you consider that Johnson, then Grant became President, ushering in an era of corruption, greed, and malfeasance in government heretofore unseen in the US, and unrivaled until 2001.

If you would care to punch me in the nose and hand me a copy of Whitman's essay, I'll give you a free shot. I'll even turn the other cheek. Whitman's essay was no more true then as it is now. Don't confuse exhortations to the common man with the "real business" of government.

Bye, the way ....

Back into KEG some more today, despite my hope for OSX 75.

-wg



To: t4texas who wrote (26819)11/3/2003 3:58:57 PM
From: whitepine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 206085
 
t4texas,

Forget Whitman. Democracy is little more than an legal arena for the special interests to rule. At this moment, the PC-crowd controls the game. Little matter the promise of democratic theory. For my part, I find Orwell's Animal Farm more instructive for those who trying to understand the modern era.

In my brief life I have witnessed legions of people who stood aside when they should have stood up for principles. As a nation, we have none, at least in practice, even as those in power proclaim otherwise. Montesquieu's story about the Troglodytes suggests what happens when a people loses their attachment to principles.

whitepine