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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (40662)	11/2/2003 2:19:49 PM
From: Condor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

In any case if I would be forced to chose to buy non American I would prefer to buy from my native Romania than from any other country in SE Asia. Buy what?

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (40662)	11/2/2003 4:38:47 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Chaim: You use exactly the same arguments, I came to hear now and then in the good ol' YU about buying American: "Gimme one good reason blah blah blah..." "Why should you support with your money a capitalistic regime that still exploits the working class of US and blah blah..." "You better give your money to YU worker (Yugo!!) to blah blah blah" In case it all sounds sounds strange, you can use Rumania. I dont think you need a sofa in the first place, if this is how you think about your purchase. Btw, sofa as a weapon - nothing new actually! Cleopatra drove this ancient humwee on the way to her victories.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (40662)	11/2/2003 8:11:23 PM
From: pezz	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 74559

<< why should I buy products from China if I can chose same or similar products at similar prices from the US ? ?>> I think the point is you can't buy "same or similar products at similar prices from the US" The idea of the US products not competing is with similar raw materials and workmanship the Chinese products will be considerably cheaper with the same quality cauz compared to Americans the Chinese work for cheap. Now you still gonna buy American? ... Most Americans won't.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (40662)	11/2/2003 8:40:48 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

If no one have bought German products because of Nazis. Italin prodicts because of Mussolini. Malaysia because of Mahatir, US because of Bush, Romenian because of Ceausecu, South American because of dictators. Trade would have ground to a halt. Poeple don't pull their wallet out based on who governs a country. They do it on a cost-efectiveness decision. I buy any product from Israel if it is a good deal, any time, despite my reservation to the Israeli regime.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (40662)	11/2/2003 11:22:55 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hello Haim, First you enthusiastically put yourself in the Fascist camp with wanting to nuke the Chinese folks’ recent achievement in the peaceful endeavor of honestly working for a living, and then you willingly align yourself with the Communist superstition by insisting on redistribution of wealth through global implementation of minimum wage Message 19326254 <<September 21st, 2003>>, and now, you appear to taint yourself with xenophobic provincialism augmented with strong flavor of economic illogic, wishing to buy American-made sofas at dearer cost but with no material quality advantage, and wanting to buy Romanian computer virus sampling CDs at even greater possible destruction ;0) Why? <<Jay give me one reasonable reason why should I buy products from China if I can chose same or similar products at similar prices from the US ?>> … I cannot give you a single reason in the case you have parameterized, nor do I need to :0) As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, within your lifetime, you will see Chinese manufactured Volks Wagons and Han people made Hondas in a dealership near you. I have no trouble sampling Romanian wine, wash with French bath gel, nibble on German cheese, toy with Japanese entertainment system, watch American movies, take Italian holidays, or invest in Russian stocks. Why? I suppose some can accuse me of being pragmatic, cosmopolitan, international, progressive, and thinking. <<Further why should I support those who engaged in the "Cultural Revolution" under Mao and now same individuals embraced "free trade" ?>> … Utter Shribbage. What is shribbage?! Exactly that, as if I had mumbled something about ‘why should I buy Swiss-made platinum equation of time machine and support those who benefited from the evil and self-serving neutrality during the global struggle against Fascism and global darkness’; or if I had mouthed off on ‘why should I …(fill in the blank) and now those same individuals descendants chant freedom this and liberty that’ ;0) <<Why should I support with my money a regime which is not democratic and still uses forced labor in their prisons?>> … Get it straight, there are many republics, but very few democracies, and there are election mechanisms where the moneyed wins, and the unconnected loses. Get it right, on a per capita basis, your neighborhood has the highest density of prison populations, and on a value measure, your license plate industry and yikes, your federal government furniture supply is heavily dependent on re-education through labour programs ;0) <<I can understand that you are very pro China>> … I am actually pro-underdog. <<… and nationalistic>> … I love Trinidad and Tobago, my country, for all of its shortcomings. <<… but so what ?>> … I have no idea. You brought the subjects up. <<I better give my money to an US worker than to some one that supported the communists and now runs a factory in China>> … go ahead, who is trying to stop you? My issue is simply with folks who try to dictate to others what they must do, and by trying to raise tariff barriers, you remove freedom to choose by dictation. <<In any case if I would be forced to chose to buy non American I would prefer to buy from my native Romania than from any other country in SE Asia ...... why because I have nothing in common with SE Asia>> … I am trying to figure out what you are trying to say, because I cannot fathom what I may have in common with the guy who made my Chilean wine. This way of thinking is so foreign to me. What are you trying to say with such obliqueness ? In any case, no one is trying to force you to choose anything. It is only your own bias that is making you imagine that anyone is trying to make you choose even as you are apparently prepared to stop others from choosing based on anachronistic beliefs and tried but failed ideas. BTW, you purchase and holding of Euro is increasing Chinese competitiveness in Euro-space, and materially driving the sort of deals that Euroland companies announced to create the world’s largest TV factory in China and the intended export of Chinese cars of German origin to willing buyers still able to exercise freedom of choice living in various and sundry republics equipped with different regime-changing mechanisms. By your illogic, you must sell your Euros and buy USD. Chugs, Jay

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (40662)	11/3/2003 9:16:56 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Good evening Haim, Rumsfeld put <<Romania>> in the news, sabawoon.com Romania's influential Evenimentul Zilei newspaper poked fun at the mistake. Alongside a photograph of the lunch, clearly showing Russian and US flags intertwined in the space between Mr Rumsfeld and Mr Iliescu, ran the headline "Memories are coming back to haunt me", the Associated Press reported. Romanian officials moved quickly to play down the incident. "I don't believe that anyone can imagine that Mr Rumsfeld doesn't know who he is meeting," Mr Iliescu's spokeswoman told reporters. In yesterday's gaffe, Mr Rumsfeld answered a question from a journalist on warlords in Afghanistan by talking about Kurdish peshmerga fighters in Iraq until it was pointed out that that was a different country. "Oh, I'm sorry ... I was thinking of Iraq. No wonder I couldn't understand it," he explained. He did however concede with a chuckle that the two countries were "close". Mr Rumsfeld was also forced to admit at the same briefing that he was unsure whether he had lost his mojo, largely because he did not know what it was. An article in Time magazine headed "Is Rumsfeld losing his mojo?" had suggested that he might be. The defence secretary said he had consulted an aide who told him that in "in 1926 or something, it had to do with jazz music." Mr Rumsfeld's Pentagon press briefing Extracted from the website of the US department of defence. Journalist: Do you think that warlordism is something that should be factored into Afghanistan? Rumsfeld: Well, I don't know quite what it means in this case. If you're talking about militias existing in the country, clearly, militias have existed in parts of that country, not least of which are the Kurdish peshmerga forces. And other elements have had militias... Journalist: Sir ... Rumsfeld: Just a minute. Journalist: Afghanistan, sir, not Iraq. Rumsfeld: Oh, I'm sorry. Go to Afghanistan. I'm sorry. I was thinking of Iraq. No wonder I couldn't understand it. Journalist: I thought you might ... Rumsfeld: I'm sorry. Yeah, I had the wrong country. Journalist: They're close! Rumsfeld: Yes, they are. (Chuckles) Chugs, Jay