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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (118363)11/4/2003 2:42:53 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
<shouldn't we prefer democracies ?>

Yes.

When the U.S. was founded, we could consider ourselves a democracy, even if we limited the franchise to 20%-30% of the adult population. Today the standards are higher: the franchise has to extend to the entire adult population, with only small groups excluded (felons, mentally incompetant, etc.). Further, in order to be considered a liberal democracy, no group can be systematically excluded from power, on the basis of sex, religion, race, language.

The Israeli government controls an area where 10 million people live, and only about half of them are Jews (a slight majority today, soon to be slightly less than a majority). Jews hold 100% of the political power, and always have in the Jewish State. Half the population is excluded from any influence over the government and army that rule them. So, perhaps Israel meets the 18th Century standard for being a democracy, but not the 21st Century standard. And they don't come close to being a liberal democracy. Israeli liberalism and democracy only apply to Jews.

South Africa under apartheid also tried to say they were a civilized Western industrialized pro-American democracy. Well, sort of. For whites.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (118363)11/4/2003 2:56:44 PM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Nadine,
Jacob is both an america and an israel delegitimizer. He keeps beating away at this theme to get more feeble minded folks to go along with his aparent anti-american and anti-israeli attitudes. Calling saddamites Iraqi patriots........
YES your are right, his "post is more interesting for what you-jacob don't say than what you do." Making america and israel illegitimate as democracys is obviously part of his pro--?? agenda. Mike