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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (487766)	11/5/2003 8:02:33 PM
From: Jerrel Peters	Respond to of 769670

My new poll came out last night when two new Republican Governors were elected because the people of Kentucky (a 32 year democrap stronghold" and Mississippi are fed up with "do-nothing-mamby-pamby" democraps.

To: American Spirit who wrote (487766)	11/5/2003 8:41:35 PM
From: SecularBull	Respond to of 769670

Raw Data: Dem Memo on Politicizing Intelligence Transcript of a memo written by a Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee staff suggesting how to make the greatest gain off of intelligence data leading to the war against Iraq. We have carefully reviewed our options under the rules and believe we have identified the best approach. Our plan is as follows: 1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard. For example, in addition to the president's State of the Union speech, the chairman has agreed to look at the activities of the Office of the Secretary of Defense as well as Secretary Bolton's office at the State Department. The fact that the chairman supports our investigations into these offices and co-signs our requests for information is helpful and potentially crucial. We don't know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. (Note: we can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.) 2) Assiduously prepare Democratic "additional views" to attach to any interim or final reports the committee may release. Committee rules provide this opportunity and we intend to take full advantage of it. In that regard, we have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims and contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry. The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an independent commission (i.e. the Corzine amendment). 3) Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time-- but we can only do so once. The best time to do so will probably be next year either: A) After we have already released our additional views on an interim report -- thereby providing as many as three opportunities to make our case to the public: 1) additional views on the interim report; 2) announcement of our independent investigation; and 3) additional views on the final investigation; or B) Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue. We could attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the "use" of intelligence. In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter foot-dragging on the part of the majority. For example, the FBI Niger investigation was done solely at the request of the vice chairman; we have independently submitted written questions to DoD; and we are preparing further independent requests for information. Summary Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet, we have an important role to play in the revealing the misleading -- if not flagrantly dishonest methods and motives -- of the senior administration officials who made the case for a unilateral, preemptive war. The approach outline above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives and methods.

To: American Spirit who wrote (487766)	11/5/2003 8:43:42 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Why don't you post a link to the entire poll? Oh, never mind, you're not interested in people having all the facts, so I'll do it. maristpoll.marist.edu Here's an excerpt (p. 3): If the 2004 election were held today, who would you vote for if the candidates were: George Bush 48% John Kerry 42% Unsure 10% If the candidate is Gephardt the margin changes to 48-43; Dean loses 49-41, Lieberman 52-41, and most interesting of all, Clark loses to Bush in the new poll 55-36. Kerry came in fourth among Democrats to support in the primaries at 9% (behind Dean, Lieberman, and Gephardt) But what was most interesting is this: 53 percent of those polled approve of Bush's job performance overall. 5 percent are unsure about it. And only 42 percent disapprove. Yet the same poll claims that 44 percent -- more than the total number who disapprove of Bush generally -- are definitely going to vote against him. Seems like a bit of a disconnect to me. I encourage anyone to read the whole six pages, not rely on American Spirit's sound bite and misinformation: maristpoll.marist.edu

To: American Spirit who wrote (487766)	11/5/2003 9:00:11 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769670

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To: American Spirit who wrote (487766)	11/5/2003 9:08:58 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Hip hip hooray!! Three cheers for Bushstein biting the dust. What was the bill I saw Bush in a ceremony today signing? He looked so smug I expect storm troopers to show up any minute demanding my eye teeth and first born!! I heard more election seats have been lost to republicans in traditionally democratic territory. Diebold is certainly delivering the vote. Democracy is giving it's last gasp I think. With the media so firmly controlled, the majority so incredibly stupid, and voter fraud (just in case) institutionalized there seems to be little hope.