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To: TobagoJack who wrote (40918)	11/5/2003 8:46:51 PM
From: Condor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

communism \Com"munism\, n. [F. communisme, fr. commun common.] A scheme of equalizing the social conditions of life; specifically, a scheme which contemplates the abolition of inequalities in the possession of property, as by distributing all wealth equally to all, or by holding all wealth in common for the equal use and advantage of all. Note: At different times, and in different countries, various schemes pertaining to socialism in government and the conditions of domestic life, as well as in the distribution of wealth, have been called communism. Jay, I dare say that the historically feared and hated communism seems a non-issue now in comparison to Islamic fundamentalism.* fun·da·men·tal·ism P Pronunciation Key (fnd-mntl-zm) n. 1.A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. That last part is interesting in that we in the west could be accused of subscribing to a form of political fundamentalism and insisting on exporting our strict interpretation of democracy. Just musing........ cheers C

To: TobagoJack who wrote (40918)	11/5/2003 8:53:01 PM
From: tom pope	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Jay, you raise a point that has always fascinated me. How do committed revolutionaries like Ceausescu, Grotewohl, Tito, even Mao, turn into sybarites who abandon their principles for maintenance of personal power once the revolution has succeeded. Sukarno is a good example. Was he sincerely committed to throwing off the Dutch yoke? Absolutely. Did he gradually turn into a geisha-chasing caricature after he took power? Equally, absolutely.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (40918)	11/5/2003 10:47:25 PM
From: pezz	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 74559

Now I know that I am the product of 50 years of anti communist propaganda so both you and I keep that in mind. But answer me this. Did your dad believe that people should be forced to live in a manner that they did not choose becauz the state thought it best? Did he believe that people should not be allowed to freely conduct business if they so chose? My definition of power is to exercise control over the lives of others. Based on my definition of the phrase as used here a "true communist" would answer yes to both questions... <<Mother Teresa was probably a communist.>> I doubt that MT would answer yes to those questions. <<Lenin and Stalin and Mao and 'Lord of the Flies'. Them folks and piggies are not communist>> Ray thinks of the current crop of CEO's facing prison as "true capitalists"...are they? Look my response wuz to Ray's comment calling "true capitalist" pigs. I think my definition of "true communist" is as valid as his "true capitalist"..Probably you are as "true a capitalist" as your dad wuz a "true communist".....I wonder how Ray would define you ..How would you define yourself in this perspective? BTW strange as it may seem my dad wuz a communist by philosophy. He did not believe that communism as practiced by the Soviets or the Chinese communists of the time wuz necessarily the only way for communism to go. I believe events have proven him wrong.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (40918)	11/6/2003 10:24:23 AM
From: Joe S Pack	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 74559

Jay, Here is a close friend of mine's impression about China. He has a multinational company in tech land and has been dealing with leading European countries and US. He was born in India but got his PhD in US and worked for the big blue etc. Quote China was very impressive- it actually blew me over. No other country had such an impact on me so far. My feeling is that if there is no major setback or severe turmoil in geo-political or economic front, very soon China will be the dominant world economic power and the rules will be rewritten (or as some point out - the abberation of the last 2centuries will be corrected). End of quote. He is the in the process of exploring to set up something jointly. Speaking of Xinxiang, one of my friends was recently decorated by the regional government as a top researcher along with several Australians and USians and received a hugh grant to continue his research in the area of biotech. He is located close to Urumqi. He is also interested in setting up something along India-China axis. He has been approached by several business people. His assett, apart from his expertise in his field, is living there and already learned to speak language of that region. -Nat