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Gold/Mining/Energy : IVAN - Ivanhoe Energy -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Eva who wrote (139)	11/12/2003 2:01:42 PM
From: PashaBear	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 271

Thanks Eva, I think we've all got Pluvia's message by now, and time well tell. I'd love to get off this tack, it's giving this dogmatic short seller too much credence. Are you fully loaded in IVAN like me, or trading around it, or waiting for a dip? Thanks, PB

To: Eva who wrote (139)	11/12/2003 2:42:02 PM
From: Pluvia	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 271

hmm ok, so you refuse to look at the facts because you "made money" with friedland? what about the people that believed the BS he spouted and lost their house, or their kids college money, or their retirement money? i guess spewing fraud and investors getting screwed is ok - as long as you make money? 1. The evidence against friedland and IVAN is overwhelming. 2. The hype is a matter of historic record. 3. The failed results vs the hype is undisputable - here it is FYI: *************** ~ HYPE major oil/gas in Texas** - RESULT all dry or unprofitable wells ~ HYPE California HUGE deep gas - RESULT dry hole ~ HYPE Russian HUGE oil & gas - RESULT abandon all Russian exploration ~ HYPE Peru HUGE oil & gas - RESULT abandon all Peru exploration ~ HYPE China HUGE oil & gas - RESULT 6 years produce 7ish low producing wells, negative return on investment ~ HYPE California HUGE heavy oil - RESULT small, low margin production wells that nobody really wants ~ HYPE Wyoming HUGE 100 MILLION bbl oil - REALITY low producing expensive, low margin project that nobody really wants REALITY NOW - IVAN needs $219 MILLION DOLLARS to abide by their commitment in China or they have pretty much nothing... Them's the facts and i have ALL the evidence to back it up. What's your argument again?