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To: DMaA who wrote (2410)	11/16/2003 11:18:20 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 5569

ADL Shake-Up Over Mel Gibson's 'Passion' Thursday, Nov. 13, 2003 (How Jesus organizations work against Christ and the Christian Culture>) Rabbi Eugene Korn, a leading critic of Mel Gibson's "The Passion of Christ," has resigned as Anti-Defamation League's director of interfaith affairs. The Jewish publication Forward suggests the resignation stems from a major disagreement within the ADL over the organizations aggressive criticism of Mel Gibson's upcoming film "The Passion of Christ." The paper quotes Korn as saying that his resignation was a "mutual decision" stemming from his need for "a more reflective and contemplative environment." "Korn's departure has some Jewish communal observers suggesting that a more diplomatic approach is needed in dealing with Gibson's upcoming film," Forward reported. The Forward also noted that while the ADL's "strong rebuke of Gibson and his film was hailed by officials at several Jewish organizations, it has been criticized as counterproductive by an increasing number of communal experts." Elan Steinberg, senior adviser to World Jewish Congress, said: "We have to ask questions in the Jewish community about the approach taken to this film. Have we really examined the question of whether bringing greater publicity to the film, broad charges of anti-Semitism and perhaps disenchanting those who are our allies in many struggles should be done in such a cavalier way?" Korn "was uncomfortable with the aggressive style of the ADL's longtime national director, Abraham Foxman," on Gibson's movie and other interfaith issues, Forward reported. Orthodox Rabbi Daniel Lapin, president of the organization Toward Tradition, recently denounced Foxman for condemning Gibson as an anti-Semite. And other Jewish leaders are also worried the ADL strategy has backfired. "I'm not sure if we're not playing into [Gibson's] hands," said Gilbert Rosenthal, director of the National Council of Synagogues. "He said he's got millions of dollars in free publicity. I'd like to see statements from the Christian community on this." Hebrew Union College professor Rabbi Michael Cook told the Forward that the Jewish community risks "embarrassment" when the film hits theatres and the public recognizes the film is not offensive.

To: DMaA who wrote (2410)	11/18/2003 9:01:30 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

apostate jerusalem filling up the measure of their fathers, playing the adulterous harlot. Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas --Matthew 12:38-39 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23:31-38 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus --Revelation 17:4-6 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all inthee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18:18-24 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18 That upon you [jerusalem] may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, --Matthew 23 And in her [the mother of harlots] was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. --Revelation 18

To: DMaA who wrote (2410)	11/18/2003 9:17:57 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all --Revelation 18:21 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. --Luke 17:1-2 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! --Matthew 18:6-7 (1) --> 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. (2) --> 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. (3) --> 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (4) --> 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! (5) --> 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (6) --> 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. (7) --> 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. --Isaiah 1:21

To: DMaA who wrote (2410)	11/18/2003 9:59:57 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the LORD, that this house shall become a desolation. For thus saith the LORD unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited. And I will prepare destroyers against thee, every one with his weapons: and they shall cut down thy choice cedars, and cast them into the fire. And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22:5-8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. --Revelation 11:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. --Revelation 14:8 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. --Revelation 16:19 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire...And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. --Revelation 17:16,18 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come --Revelation 18:10 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! --Revelation 18:16 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18-19 this house shall become a desolation...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire --Revelation 17:16 for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18 this house shall become a desolation...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire --Revelation 17:16 for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18 this house shall become a desolation...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire --Revelation 17:16 for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18 this house shall become a desolation...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire --Revelation 17:16 for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18 this house shall become a desolation...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire --Revelation 17:16 for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18 this house shall become a desolation...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? --Jeremiah 22 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. --Matthew 23 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire --Revelation 17:16 for in one hour is she made desolate --Revelation 18:18