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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (119756)	11/16/2003 10:40:33 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Did I ever deny that, during war, men (and women) sometimes commit atrocities, including US soldiers? That's war.. it's ugly and fighters on all sides sometimes deliberately ignore, or break the "rules".> You consistently minimize, excuse, deny, any terrorist acts committed by U.S. armed forces or our allies. Consistently, you say they are rare exceptions, and not widespread policy approved or condoned at the highest levels. You accept any excuse, no matter how thin, any excuse by our soldiers (and their commanders) to avoid personal responsibility for their actions. At the same time, you have "zero tolerance" towards equivalent acts committed by America's enemies. I conclude, you aren't really against terrorism. Rather, your outrage at some (only some) terrorism, is to justify a policy of unilaterally disarming our enemies. But of course, we can't possibly get them to unilaterally disarm. They see our hypocrisy, the whole world does. We can't possibly make Them stop using whatever tools and tactics work. They don't have the tanks and helicopters to make us stop bullying them; they strap explosive belts on their children; they have no other way to Hit Back. So your outrage, so false, so selective, it doesn't lead to any solution.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (119756)	11/17/2003 5:58:50 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Well now we know the whole story. Or do we? No need to get up over this one Hawk. This is an old story that has been rewritten by a non-combatant, who was not there, for pay. Let's see where it goes. This river valley was a very unfriendly area. The Song Ve valley was a known major NVA stronghold in 66 and 67. It was heavily bombed by B52s then. We had positions along that river for the duration. Criminal investigators worked the story for 5 years and substantiated nothing and could not get a charge filed. Former members of the platoon are coming forward again to speak out. Let's be certain to listen closest to those who were in the unit during the 6 months in question. And remember 5 years ago CNN, Time Magazine and Peter Arnett published a similar story of atrocities by US Special Forces. They called the story "Operation Tailwind". The story was total bullshit. In the end, Time retracted the story completely. CNN did too. Ted Turner apologized, and Peter Arnett was fired. uw