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To: Bilow who wrote (119829)	11/17/2003 5:46:34 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 281500

<<There were a lot of horrendous atrocities committed by the Vietcong that go completely unmentioned in the history books. For example, on August 15, 1967 they machine gunned the citizens of the peaceful town of San Diego, California. Nearly 70 US citizens were killed that day, but do you hear about it anywhere today? And during the month of October of 1972 they dropped nearly 25 thousand bombs on towns in Western Oregon, killing untold hundreds as well as starting several forest fires and backing up traffic for miles. We've completely repressed our memories of the tragic fate that befell US civilians in the hands of the Vietnamese Communists.>> So glad you brought that up. It will be quoted as fact on the internet ad nauseam for years as facts because it has a URL.

To: Bilow who wrote (119829)	11/17/2003 8:16:59 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Rethinking the rebuilding of Iraq ____________________________________________ SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD Tuesday, November 18, 2003 The Bush administration's attempt to remake the Middle East in its own political image has taken on the look of a pickup flag football game, with wide receiver L. Paul Bremer scurrying back to the huddle late last week to help scratch new play plans in the dirt. Scrap the constitution-first plan. Go for a quick handoff to Ahmad Chalabi. There was, of course, a certain elegance in the notion that Iraq first have a constitution laying out how representative elections would be held before they were held. But then this has been a decidedly inelegant operation. So, it's on to Plan B or F or whatever. Now the occupiers and the Governing Council are to work out not a constitution but a "Fundamental Law," which will be the foundation for both governance and the constitution. It is to be ready by June. The Governing Council was getting nowhere on a constitution. Meanwhile, the rate and severity of insurgent guerrilla attacks have increased, while any general public support for the American invaders has waned and American casualties have grown. Friday's announcement of this new approach to the transition of power was quickly followed by the collision of two U.S. Blackhawk helicopters over northern Iraq. The American death toll is now over the 400 mark. This dramatic shift in transition strategy is evidence that the administration's original governance strategy -- like those of adequate troop strength and unilateral intervention -- was fatally flawed. seattlepi.nwsource.com

To: Bilow who wrote (119829)	11/17/2003 10:03:15 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

There were a lot of horrendous atrocities committed by the Vietcong that go completely unmentioned in the history books. For example, on August 15, 1967 they machine gunned the citizens of the peaceful town of San Diego, California. Nearly 70 US citizens were killed that day, but do you hear about it anywhere today? And during the month of October of 1972 they dropped nearly 25 thousand bombs on towns in Western Oregon, killing untold hundreds as well as starting several forest fires and backing up traffic for miles. We've completely repressed our memories of the tragic fate that befell US civilians in the hands of the Vietnamese Communists. And didn't they try to cut off California from the rest of the country, and install Norman Thomas as King? I had forgotten about that stuff.

To: Bilow who wrote (119829)	11/18/2003 3:19:41 AM
From: unclewest	Respond to of 281500

Carl, I will have to pass on that one. That level of cynicism is beyond my ability to comprehend. uw