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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (119905)	11/18/2003 2:20:23 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

More predictions: The NeoCons will, as their plan for Iraq collapses into defeat and chaos, adopt these two mutually exclusive excuses: 1. It wasn't a defeat. We didn't defeat the Islamists or Baathists, we didn't find any WMD, we didn't secure our oil supplies, we didn't create an example of freedom and democracy, we won't stop the new Iraqi government from acquiring WMD. Somehow this will be called a victory, anyway. 2. It was a defeat, but only because the Democrats and pacifists committed treason by stabbing the patriotic NeoCons in the back. So, expect to be hearing nonsense, on this thread and everywhere, such as: "If Americans only had the courage of the Greatest Generation, if there weren't so many confused disloyal weaklings among us, we would have won." "It was a strategic victory, because Al Queda hasn't set up an Islamic Republic in New Jersey." "We lost because we are effete and over-civilized. If we'd been allowed to "take the gloves off", we'd have won." "The dictator in charge of Iraq says he is our friend, and therefore we won. It doesn't matter that he allows Al Queda to recruit and train in his country; it doesn't matter that he panders to the Islamists; it doesn't matter that he fills the jails with his political opponents just like Saddam did."

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (119905)	11/18/2003 3:18:20 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Did you watch 60 Minutes this weekend? They had an item on Equatorial Guinea [sp?]. They called it the Kuwait of Africa. It turns out that the boys from Texas went there and negotiated a deal like taking candy from baby. In return for extracting oil from the shores of EG, they get to keep 88% of it! The other 12% goes to the President who like the Emir of Kuwait is treating the country as if it was his own personal property and the oil as if it was his family business. To say the people were in extreme poverty that human rights are abused is the understatement of the decade. The US Ambassador wrote a report on how most defendants cannot walk into the court because both their legs cannot support them from torture. He got a ton of objections from US oil companies and is now a former ambassador. ...so now we have a country which does have oil and there is no historical baggage for us to deal with...how much do you want to bet that 10 years from now they are still near the top of the list of dictatorships and human rights abusers?