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To: skinowski who wrote (120028)	11/20/2003 2:33:53 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

That's in good part all wrapped in Rousseau, as Neo noted. Rousseau is the father of European Romanticism, a reaction to the rationalism of the Enlightenment. The Nazis and the Fascists were an outgrowth of that celebration of the emotional, the primitive, and the irrational. Communism was an outgrowth of Idealism. The bastard child of the Enlightenment. Derek

To: skinowski who wrote (120028)	11/20/2003 12:59:07 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

I use "Volk" partly as a term for the romantic notion of "Peoples", which was not purely German. However, you are right enough, along with that came a renewed interest in folk epics and tales, such as the Mabinogian, the Niebelungenlied, and the Kalavala. Some romantic nationalists thought that Christianity was a natural fit for the national character, some saw it as decadent, and preferred pagan sources of national culture. The Nazis took a crude form of Nietzscheanism, emphasizing the decadence of Christianity and extolling pagan nobility, and gave that aspect of romantic nationalism more theoretical "heft". Of course, Nietzsche mainly meant to extol classical nobility, not barbarians, and he had an ambivalent attitude towards Christianity, considering it decadent in some degree, but also appreciating its role in sublimating the instincts. It was unfortunate that the executor of his estate, after his breakdown, was his sister, who had been involved in proto- Nazi causes in her youth. She gave her imprimatur to the Nazi "take" on Nietzsche, although Nietzche deplored German nationalism in favor of pan- Europeanism, deplored militarism in favor of an emphasis on cultural achievement, and deplored anti- semitism........