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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (1715)	11/28/2003 12:56:20 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 90947

Before you high-five Lizzie, maybe you ought to take a look at the debate and what happened in it. She got her head handed to her and is now thoroughly pissed. And she's really pissed because it's not the first time this happened. She doesn't do facts well. She claims to be a manager; I'd like to know the company. I want to short it. NOW: Are you on or are you going to run? We're not interested in invective, insults, or idiotic conspiracy theories. If that's what you have in mind, go away. If you think you can defend her points based on the facts, go to it. As far as her charges about this thread are concerned, it got started because AS behaved as Lizzie now does: Lie, lie, lie, and ignore any factual disproof of the lie.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (1715)	11/28/2003 10:28:57 AM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

yes he did. TJ has openly questioned the Iraq decisions on CNBC so it isn't like he has never criticized the Bush admin. When we first went into Iraq, TJ said he did not support it on a CNBC interview, but at that time he did say that he supported the Bush economic agenda. That was before a lot of this recent out of control pork spending (energy, medicare) But this time it had to do with the budget deficit and what he considers to be a fiscal crisis of sorts. Republicans use an argument that "deficit as a percent of GDP" is ok, based on wartimes of the past (of course those were REAL wars not occupations rooted in economic looting).. anyway the problem is that GDP, as we learned last week as a metric needs to be recalibrated for globalization and is currently overstating US economy actuals, by at least half I'd say. The 4% GDP we had in the Clinton years was much, much more robust than this 8%. I don't know what goes into GDP figures... obviously we have corporate profits through the roof but not much else is through the roof in the US economy. Corporate profits sure aren't going to get us out of this mess, corporations pay very little in the way of the costs of government (especially with this gang of thieves). So with reworking the realities of globalization and individual income tax revenues going forward, tax rolls are likely much lower than estimates and spending is out of control, that is his point. He sees a 30% dollar decline, I'm not sure against which currency though. That seems a little high to me so it could be I'm missing the context. Many economists are expecting a 20% decline though.