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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (42173)	11/29/2003 4:06:39 PM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

He's been usurped by the paranoid crazies in the neocon movement and is alive and well in the civilian ranks of Likudniks currently in control of the Pentagon. Calling them "paranoid crazies" is a bit hyperbolic. They're not crazy, but they do have a grandiose vision of how the world ought to be. And they apparently harbor no doubt about the wisdom of trying to implement that vision, grabbing the American military as their instrument. Trotsky only dreamed of permanent revolution, this bunch is giving the idea a go. Leo Strauss wrote impenetrable books on Platonic philosophy. Apparently he did have some theory of esoteric language, where speech designed for the public contained hidden meaning for the ruling elite. But I'm not aware of any connection between him and Trotsky's ideas.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (42173)	11/29/2003 10:04:22 PM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Ray - Sounds like Leo Straus is the deadliest professor since Pol Pot's prof in Paris who pushed for the elimination of urban society as a path to a socialist utopia. make Herman Kahn and Curtis LeMay look sensible... I sense that Rumsfield, Powell, and Rice are not part of this, nor are most of the senior military. I expect that Bush's plan is to have at least two teams vying for approval. I also don't see George H. W. Bush having much to do with these "idealists". Richard Perle was dumped a few months back. I think the adminiatraion plans to exit Iraq (and nation building there) right after the election - I expect more neocons to go then, with just enough of the neocons left to make it hard to the neocons to attack the administration politically.