To: JF Quinnelly who wrote (42178 ) 11/29/2003 4:28:52 PM From: Raymond Duray Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 74559 But I'm not aware of any connection between him and Trotsky's ideas. The connection is in the acolytes. Irving Kristol (Bill's dad) and Norman Podhoretz (John's dad) were key Trotskyite urban Jewish intellectuals of the 1950s who had a "revelation" and took up the teachings of Leo Strauss as a new mantra for their brand of Zionism. This morphed over the years from a leftish sort of orientation (whereby we have a creep like Richard Perle starting out as a staffer to Democrat Scoop Jackson) into a full blown right wing revolutionary war party. Along the way, we have the direct descendents of Strauss's uniquely Machiavellian worldview in the persons of Paul Wolfowitz and and Douglas Feith. And yet, there's more: edgewise.pycs.net Quote: "People who follow Strauss's philosophy are called neoconservatives. The current administration is full of figures who have both studied Strauss and publicly admitted to being followers of Strauss. The list of these neoconservatives who are "out" include: Elliott Abrams , Richard Armitage, John Bolton, Lynne Cheney (NSA Advisor and wife to VP), Douglas Feith, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Lewis Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz. Have you recognized any of the names as sources of recent scanalous lies from the administration? Are you suprised? Learn more about Strauss and your current government. Scary stuff: opendemocracy.net Interview with Shadia Drury: "Leo Strauss repeatedly defends the political realism of Thrasymachus and Machiavelli (see, for example, his Natural Right and History, p. 106). This view of the world is clearly manifest in the foreign policy of the current administration in the United States. A second fundamental belief of Strauss’s ancients has to do with their insistence on the need for secrecy and the necessity of lies. In his book Persecution and the Art of Writing, Strauss outlines why secrecy is necessary. He argues that the wise must conceal their views for two reasons – to spare the people’s feelings and to protect the elite from possible reprisals. The people will not be happy to learn that there is only one natural right – the right of the superior to rule over the inferior, the master over the slave, the husband over the wife, and the wise few over the vulgar many....... Now, the ancients were determined to keep this tyrannical teaching secret because the people are not likely to tolerate the fact that they are intended for subordination; indeed, they may very well turn their resentment against the superior few. Lies are thus necessary to protect the superior few from the persecution of the vulgar many. The effect of Strauss’s teaching is to convince his acolytes that they are the natural ruling elite and the persecuted few." Thus the paranoia of people like Perle and Cheney, who correctly see that their elitism is threatened by those who do not freely wish to submit to their arbitrary rule.