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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (501219)11/30/2003 11:20:31 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
My knowledge is only anecdotal. I know a lot of engineers in Aerospace that work at Boeing and in fact sold my house to a guy who worked for Phillips in software in San Antonio. Phillips closed down their operations there and he got a job at Boeing in Seal Beach.

A younger friend of the family lost her dot.com job but got a nearly equal paying job with Downey Savings locally. Now she's working for a firm in Virginia, still good pay. Seemed to have little trouble finding a job.

Maybe they overhired in boom times competing to get limited numbers of qualified and quality employees. Now, after down-sizing they will go through a period of profits before they get to hiring these people again.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (501219)11/30/2003 11:22:05 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 769667
 
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Pentagon to keep media away from
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Written by Douglas Quenqua
Published on November 24 2003

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon took another step in
distancing the media from US casualties of war last
week with the announcement of new restrictions on
funeral coverage at Arlington National Cemetery
(ANC).


Any reporter wanting to cover a soldier's funeral at the
Virginia cemetery will now be required to stay within a
distant, roped-off area. This "bullpen" is described as
an area far enough away from the proceedings that a
clergyman or family member's words cannot be clearly
heard.

The new restrictions come on the heels of a Pentagon
announcement last month that reporters were no longer
permitted to witness the return of soldier's bodies
returning from overseas combat. At the time, Pentagon
spokesman Captain David Romley explained the ban
this way: "The media can get a better, more complete
understanding of the person who has passed by
attending and covering funeral services as opposed to
coffins arriving aboard an air station."


Last week, Romley confirmed the new policy, but
declined to comment on the apparent contradiction
between it and his previous explanation. Instead, he
directed calls to the ANC press office, which did not
return calls seeking comment.

Family members have always been required to give
permission for media to cover a soldier's funeral at the
cemetery. The new restrictions could likewise be waived
if the family allows it.

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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (501219)12/1/2003 12:45:25 AM
From: Peter O'Brien  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
>How many professionals, age 30-45 (peak income years)
>do you know?

That would describe me.

I have been continuously employed in non-military
high-tech (as an individual contributor) throughout
the ENTIRE downturn. My income has also increased
(not decreased) during the downturn.

I work extremely hard to keep my technical skills
competitive. Frankly, I think this downturn has
been beneficial to my career! In today's more
competitive environment, I think my skills are
valued more on a relative basis than they were
during the bubble.

>until you get to my level which is managing groups
>of 30 minimum.

Oh, I see, a "manager"...
Maybe it is YOU who is out of touch.

God knows it wouldn't be the first time I have
dealt with an "out of touch" manager during my career.

>very few are in touch with the professional labor force.

Yeah, just go ahead and denigrate the qualifications of
anyone who disagrees with you (rather than deal with
the substance of their arguments). I feel truly sorry
for your 30 underlings.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (501219)12/1/2003 1:06:01 AM
From: Bald Eagle  Respond to of 769667
 
A spell of unemployment is not necessarily a bad thing. I've been there and done that a couple of times and came out stronger on the other end. When the going gets tough, the tough get tougher :-)



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (501219)12/1/2003 1:29:57 AM
From: Lazarus_Long  Respond to of 769667
 
Oh, God, Liz, cut it out. I know you have a severe allergy to fact, but try this:
calmis.ca.gov

Now that has age group "25-64". But when have you known an employer to keep older engineers in preference to younger? They cost more. Get real. This is much more common:
bayarea.com

Try this:
Research by the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers supports Matloff's claim that veteran coders are being driven out of the field. In a 1998 report, the institute discovered that unemployed members typically require three additional weeks to find a new job for each year of age over 45.
archive.salon.com
You wanna argue with them?

But if you insist on it, I'll hunt data that DOES specifically refute you. And then I'll post my response as a response to every post you make for an entire day.

I'm like you claim to be. I'm working. But I worked for a start-up that IPOed in 1997. I worked strictly for stock. A roll of the dice. I won. Working is optional.

But I do work. As an engineer. I'm older than your "30-45" bracket, but I know lots of them. I work with them. They are engineers. Those "highly paid engineering positions" you claim are gone. Maybe they are at the two-bit dying fleabag outfit you are at. We have lots of them.

40%, my ***.

You can argue with this if you wish:
Okay, forget all those economic numbers and forecasts and technical analysis crap. That all means nothing in predicting how the economy is going. Instead, just check out how crowded highway 101 is heading through Silicon Valley at rush hour. At least, that's the idea behind this article that brings up some anecdotal reports that traffic is getting worse - which many people are interpreting to mean that the jobs are coming back, too. They say the traffic feels just like it did when the dot coms started catching on. While there may be something to that (and I've heard others say the same thing), it certainly feels like people are just looking for any sign that things are picking up, and will latch onto anything. It's not quite trying to divining the future from animal entrails, but I wouldn't use it as the most definitive measure of economic life in the Valley.
techdirt.com

If you work at it, you might get your credibility back to where that percentage of SI readers believe anything you say.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (501219)12/1/2003 8:59:55 AM
From: ChinuSFO  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Lizzie, hi from silicon valley. Your post truly characterizes what is happening here with the jobs. The health of the nation's job market is reflected in the occupancy rate of the commercial real estate, the crowding on the highways, the frequency of closure of roads due to a rail crossing etc. They are all down. And you know why?

Simple; this Administration thinks there is no difference between potato chips and silicon chips. According to them they are the same; they are chips.