To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (503511 ) 12/4/2003 12:49:50 PM From: Machaon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 You wrote:<font color=blue>"Overpopulation is not involved in any case because overpopulation does not exist."<font color=black> So if millions of children are starving each day, or dying of disease, because the land and water cannot possibly support their needs, you don't think that overpopulation contributes to the scarcity of food and safe drinking water? You wrote:<font color=blue>"When people speak of overpopulation, they speak as if the term is objective, as if some magic population figure exists ..."<font color=black> Well.... there IS a "magic" population figure. It's when there are too many people for the amount of food and water that is available. You might call it magic. I call it common sense. You wrote:<font color=blue>"I showed this post of yours to my thirteen year-old, asking him to point out its flaw. His response was this: “I wipe my nose and comb my hair. The drain in the sink is clogged. I must die.”"<font color=black> I hope that he has a full and speedy recovery. You wrote:<font color=blue>"You do here what far too many envirowackos do. You confuse the abuse of natural resources with the myth of overpopulation."<font color=black> Abuse? Tell that to the millions of children who don't have clean drinking water, or food to eat. It is insane to not allow for contraception when you know that the excess litters are going to starve, or die a long and miserable death. You either support contraception, birth control and family planning, or you support slow, painful and miserable deaths for millions of children. What's your choice? You wrote:<font color=blue>" We don’t have to dump untreated wastes into our water supply, whether the world contains 2 or 2 trillions people."<font color=black> But, we are! There is no way to control the huge amount of poisons that are being dumped into the world's oceans, streams and air, each and every day. You say, "WE" don't have to dump..... Who do you mean by "We"? It is the way that the humans on this planet are treating this earth, and it is only going to get worse, except in your dreamworld where pollution doesn't exist.