To: Dayuhan who wrote (18681 ) 12/5/2003 7:18:42 AM From: John Carragher Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793672 The problem with alcohol or addicts is they do not seek help, preaching. I have to assume you know little about addiction. It varies on the condition of an addict when they seek help. You are under the assumption that you can control your nervous system when it goes out of control. When your system is screaming for a fix and you hands are jumping all over the place(try using a safety razor in that condition). Your insides are screaming and you get the dry heaves so bad you are doubled up in pain or throwing up anything you try to put down. You may have not eaten anything of substance for weeks. You may have lost twenty or thirty pounds. You may have a lack essential vitamins and minerals in your system and are close to a heart attack or shock. There are people who can quit on there own. Many are in the situation where they may have tried many times to quit on their own and cannot. In these cases AA people who have experience with what you are going through are able to understand and help.. They do not give pity! They give tough love. Unless you are willing to do what is suggested , go elsewhere. The person who comes into AA may have tried everything to quit but cannot. They get approached to help only if they are willing to follow directions. For example , change social situations where people drink, change living conditions if the same situation(clean out all addictive materials in your house), change where you eat if booze, all things things set off alarms in your brain and stimulate the nervous system in overtime for a fix. If you are to stay clean you need to avoid the people , places and things that arouse the nervous system and brain. At least for the first year. An example of this would be a man and his family that vacationed in Fl every year. His wife died and he is sober now twelve years. I am talking a very successful regional manager for a very large corporation. Next he goes back to where he used to take his wife and kids to Fl. years earlier. He hangs out in the bar in the hotel they stayed at. Then in his remorse of missing his wife he orders their favorite drink.. Two weeks later he's worse than he was twelve years ago. Drinking heavier than he did before because the brain and nervous system picks up where it left off, usually.He is twelve years older and less able now to handle the booze and his health goes to hell quickly. He goes into a fit in his boss's office, shaking, eyes rolling, passes out after falling and shaking for a minute or two. His system has broken down, and he needs help. He is not looking for self-pity or preaching. He is looking for someone to help him get the monkey off his back that he cannot do by himself. May i suggest you read up on addiction.