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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (121071)	12/6/2003 5:20:40 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The name Allah originates i believe from some semitic Ur-tongue common to both arabic and hebrew, and means simply 'the lord' .... corresponds to Elohim in hebrew, 'al' being the article 'the' in arabic, as is 'el' in hebrew Good post 2M, we could all reflect that we have way too much tribalism in our pasts .... got to lighten up on it, bit by bit, get pragmatic, trim back the sharp edges of exclusivity from the irrational belief structures, until we can dispense with them entirely .. a Menschenstaat or two in strategic places might help in this .... sort of set an example for the various JustUsAndNotYouFilthyBuggersstaats

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (121071)	12/6/2003 7:40:36 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

In Christianity you find the church built on the bedrock of one apostle Peter I know some fundamentalist Protestants who believe that Christ didn't intend the pun, and wasn't building the Church on Peter. I suspect they also don't believe Christ ever drank wine, but only grape juice. One of the biggest problems with the Koran, in my opinion, is that it is self-contradictory, for example, some suras say that there should be no compulsion about religion, and say nice things about Christians and Jews, and then there are the others, not very nice, calling Jews and Christians apes and dogs.

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (121071)	12/7/2003 3:26:33 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

In Zeus we Trust! The Great Zeus, royalty among the Gods, is a dominant father-like figure, with a strong penchant for pursuing females - goddesses and mortals alike. Fitting chief deity for a young civilization. ...Unite the entire Olympus under one hat, and who knows, you might be inventing a fairly decent version of monotheism...;-)

To: 2MAR$ who wrote (121071)	12/9/2003 12:59:51 AM
From: Larry Loeb	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Orthodox Jews (just as fundamentalist Muslims) never separated practical aspects of their lives from God either - but they never considered it to be "God's War" to impose their beliefs on others. Well to each to his own , but originally, I do believe that the orthodox Jew was very much prone to impose his belief upon others back in the good 'ol days ...very much so and you can read of its many instances in the Bible of their doing so , (with the help and aid of their "god's" pestilence and plagues...and a sharp sword or spear as well ) as every last man and woman of some cities and other tribes of the region felt the wrath of the orthodox Jew and their tribal God . You know the one , "Javeh" or Jahweh. The Greeks were kind enough to rule over them for a while , and even saved the translations of the old testament for this extremely irrascible & supertstitious tribe of humans. Well, I'm not sure quite where you were intending to go with this. Judaism has never been a proselytizing religion. Looking to the text of the Old Testament (or Torah) doesn't really support such a conclusion. What is often forgotten in looking at that wording is that Judaism, at the time, was the only monotheistic religion. Non-Jews were held to a much lower standard than the 613 mitzvahs required of Jews (they were required to abide by the seven Noachide principals). In fact, even today it is difficult to convert to Judaism. As for forcing conversions at the point of the sword, I really would like to see where you got that from. Like I said, I don't know what you were going for, but it seemed a little off base. Best wishes, Larry