To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (53 ) 12/6/2003 9:52:56 PM From: marcos Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 190 How convenient it would be for you, were people so ignorant of the story as to swallow your standard lines here ... but we're not, Nadine - all those 'points' have been refuted hundreds of times on these threads, probably thousands by now, and you just keep typing them, presumably hoping to suck in the uninitiated to your fantasy .... geez, it's pointless .... but, here goes again, briefly - 'Not a single such measure existed before the intifada ' - horseshit, zionist terrorism has been around a long long time ... the palmach, irgun, stern gang, et cetera, they used to murder arabs and brits alike, they would do anything or anybody that stood in the way of their imposition of jewish rule on Palestine .... and it didn't start up from nothing in the forties either, zionist hands are hardly clean 'The sellers were Arab ' - for the most part yes, and the corrupt turkish regime permitted the rights of the indigenous to be ignored in such transactions ..... it does not follow that it was a real wise idea for the zionists to ignore those rights in a wholesale fashion .... in any case, it was land that was being sold, not the right to impose a second domination by whacko religion where there was already one too many of those Plus remember - by 1948 the zionists had 'bought' less then ten per cent of Palestine, i think less than seven per cent ... ah but they rectified that right smartly didn't they, declared the lands of those who fled from them to be holdings of 'absentee landlords' ... that is too sick for words, you know there are still people living who can look back at their homes, at fields they worked in their youth Sure there was 'Arab inmigration ', the zionists were arriving with massive amounts of hard currency and european technology, vastly superior tools and organisation of things like irrigation .... similar things were happening in a great many places around the year 1900, for instance near where we have a place at the seventeenth parallel, several families including danes and irish settled fincas in the jungle, this stimulated considerably inmigration of maya indigenous from the sierra and altiplano .... this worked out more or less well for all, as the foreigners did not attempt to impose a regime based on their personal gods 'They weren't run off ... The Zionists wanted the Arabs to stay! ' - horseshit ... while there were all sorts of zionists, just as there are all sorts within any group of invaders, or invadees for that matter, there were enough hardliners deeply into ethnic cleansing to get the job done, weren't there .... many quotes from your heros on this matter are recorded, i don't feel like looking them up just now, but the Begin-ben Gurion set wanted all Palestine for the Judenstaat, as soon as possible and as free of indigenous as possible Of course there was war - the lands of the indigenous were having imposed on them rule by a whacko religion they perceived to be hostile to their own, what the hell else would you expect but war ..... suppose my tribe came to your part of the planet and said to you, from now on this place will be ruled strictly by worshippers of Horsesheetio, and only horsesheeteños will have full rights of citizenship, or the right of 'return', so all you filthy followers of Whomever, you just shove off and make room You're probably able to imagine being on the other end of the bayonet, but you'll never admit it .... anyway Nadine, this thread is supposed to be about the Geneva Accords, have a little respect for John's choice of topic eh, there are plenty of others for your propagandising efforts ..... cheers