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To: elmatador who wrote (42657)	12/7/2003 10:40:45 AM
From: gumnam	Respond to of 74559

The good thing about this form of democracy is that even though the driving force behind all govt action seems to be elections, it has a built in corrective mechanism. Look at California and how quickly Davis was thrown out. I do not know if Arnold S. can achieve much, but a message was sent to the politicians to clean up. Politicians overestimate their capability to purchase votes in reasonably free democracies. I always have a lot of respect for the common man of each country. Commmon man seems to be a lot less dogmatic and a lot more practical than the intellectuals and the elite. Gumnam

To: elmatador who wrote (42657)	12/7/2003 11:03:56 AM
From: Condor	Respond to of 74559

Expert says Saudi leadership failing Published 12/6/2003 11:20 PM LONDON, Dec. 6 (UPI) -- Saudi exile and dissident Saad al-Faqih, head of the Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia, said his country's leadership is incapable of survival. Al-Faqih, a professor of surgery at King Saud University until 1994, was jailed for a time for his involvement in the country's reform movement and acknowledges he is dedicated to bringing down the ruling regime. He told the Middle East Intelligence Bulletin in London that once the challenge of violence shifts towards the royal family rather than Westerners, "the collapse will be imminent." In addition, he said, "there are mounting socio-economic problems: increasing poverty, unemployment, domestic crime, social disintegration and sky-high national debt." In the background, he said, is the crumbling of the regime's Islamic legitimacy since the 1991 Gulf War. To make matters worse, he said, the regime does not have the proper command system to deal with these crises. upi.com ....from the world Outlook thread

To: elmatador who wrote (42657)	12/7/2003 11:59:23 AM
From: macavity	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Democracy. To paraphrase Plato, "Next step dictatorship." The sheeple get the government they deserve. mises.org -macavity

To: elmatador who wrote (42657)	12/7/2003 12:02:21 PM
From: macavity	Respond to of 74559

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson