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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (509028)	12/13/2003 10:41:58 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Yeah, all Monica cost (until the investigations!) was a couple of cigars!

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (509028)	12/13/2003 11:15:17 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	Respond to of 769667

The interview, the first time Dean has been questioned in detail about his foreign policy views, appeared to be part of an effort to transform Dean from a candidate known largely for a single, defining issue -- opposition to the war in Iraq -- to someone with the gravitas to be president and deal with the complex foreign policy challenges of the age. In March 2000, Dean told a Canadian public affairs program that 98 percent of the public does not vote based on a candidate's foreign policy views, "unless they are really a wacko." Now, he says, because of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the Iraq war, national security is the most important issue in this election after the economy. "This president has forfeited our moral leadership in the world because people dislike us so much," he said. As part of this transition, Dean has begun to pull into his campaign a team of senior foreign policy advisers, many of whom served in the Clinton administration. His campaign will announce the members of this "kitchen cabinet" Monday when he makes his speech, which along with a planned economics speech is intended to lay out his major themes before the New Hampshire primary Jan. 27. During the interview, the former governor of Vermont appeared at ease handling questions that hopscotched across global trouble spots. One of his foreign policy aides, Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution, sat at his side as he tackled back-to-back newspaper interviews on foreign policy. Dean and Daalder, a former Clinton aide, huddled for five minutes after The Washington Post interview to review Dean's comments before beginning the second session. Questioned on foreign policy statements he made before he became a presidential candidate, Dean acknowledged a tendency to "say what I think" and that he may have "used undiplomatic language" in the past. But he said he realized that "as president you have to watch your words more carefully." Though Dean has repeatedly criticized Bush for failing to win international support for the Iraq war, for instance, in June 1998 he defended Clinton's bombing of Iraq by arguing on the Canadian program, "I don't think we could have built an international coalition to invade or have a substantial bombing of Saddam." During another 1998 appearance on the show, "The Editors," Dean said it was not worth trying to woo French support on foreign policy initiatives. "The French will always do exactly the opposite on what the United States wants regardless of what happens, so we're never going to have a consistent policy," he said. Dean has also reached out to leading members of the Democratic foreign policy establishment as he tries to fill in the gaps in his foreign policy approach. But others in the Democratic Party are troubled by what they see as Dean's inconsistency and a willingness to stake out positions for political gain.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (509028)	12/13/2003 11:37:26 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

FDR is a liberal hero, right? He got us out of the Depression by getting us into a war. A BIG one. What? You think it was an ACCIDENT? Go read some history. What's the problem? Don't like you're own medicine? So, in your calculus, all that WW2 spending is "sunk cost", I guess. No return. No investment. Just wind. Blame it on Clinton! Hey, you elected the pervert. Don't blame it on me. And yes Bolivia is starting to look good. Tell you what: You go there and promise never to return to the US and I'll buy your plane ticket. Actually, I think I could get a raffle going for the opportunity to ship your sorry butt there and collect enough to ship all your buddies too. The Lincoln bedroom "scandal" If you think THAT'S where Slick Willie's sell out ended, I've got snails in my garden smarter than you. "Laz"

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (509028)	12/14/2003 1:30:15 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Gee, do you know how to use Excel? whitehouse.gov Click on "Table 1.1—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-): 1789–2008 ", insert a column after "Surplus or Deficit(−)", and compute the surplus or deficit as a percentage of receipts, first from 1789-2002 (the last fully completed year), then from 1789-2008, and tell me when the worst period was. HINT: It wasn't 2001 or 2002, the years GWB has been President when we actually know what the results are. AND it won't be 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, or 2008 if the projections are right. Here, I'll give you the answers. You'll notice I also computed the surplus or deficit as a % of GDP. GDP figures are easy enough to find. Couldn't find projected figures, though, although I'm sure thry're out there on the web someplace. Year S or D S or D as a % as a % Receipts GDP 1975 -19 -3.26 1976 -25 -4.0404 1977 -15 -2.64 1978 -15 -2.58 1979 -9 -1.59 1980 -14 -2.64 1981 -13 -2.52 1982 -21 -3.93 1983 -35 -5.88 1984 -28 -4.71 1985 -29 -5.04 1986 -29 -4.97 1987 -18 -3.16 1988 -17 -3.04 1989 -15 -2.78 1990 -21 -3.81 1991 -26 -4.50 1992 -27 -4.60 1993 -22 -3.84 1994 -16 -2.88 1995 -12 -2.22 1996 -7 -1.38 1997 -1 -0.26 1998 4 0.79 1999 7 1.35 2000 12 2.41 2001 6 1.26 2002 -9 -1.51 2003 -17 2004 -16 2005 -10 2006 -9 2007 -7 2008 -8 RECORD deficits. Not quite. Which part of your brain did they remove? Not the part that deals with fact, logic, and numbers, which apparently they did in your case. See your shyster. Maybe he'll sue the surgeon for you. Wanna play again? BTW, the figures for those years are a LONG way from being the worst. In 1943, the deficit was 227% of receipts.