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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (43713)	12/20/2003 2:31:37 PM
From: Condor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

One of the swine checking in here :o). Re: Franken: "Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them" What a humouress, earthy, entertaining read. C

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (43713)	12/20/2003 3:07:04 PM
From: Mike M2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Ray, I agree re: For those looking for a really well-written and comprehensive history of the development of central North America, it is hard to beat Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States". It tops my list of accessible and sensible works of history. Zinn is excellent. Mike

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (43713)	12/20/2003 9:45:43 PM
From: Joe S Pack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

glenn_a Thanks for a very long list of books. 1) Carroll Quigley's book is already on its way. 2) Arundadhi Roy's books are on their way too. Ray, I would like to add two more books to complete and complement "The Creature from Jekyll Island - A Second Look at the Federal Reserve", a classic by G. Edward Griffin. These books gives a good overall understanding of how Fed was created, how they allow our political crooks to help swindle tax payers, and how Wallstreet crooks are set for permanent stream of income at the expense of tax payers and so on. 16.1 "The case against the Fed" by Murray Rothbard. This gives a succint illustration how this criminal organization has debased American peoples' hard earned money since its inception. 16.2 "Secrets of the Federal Reserve" by Eustice Mullins. This one gives better view of how Fed was created and under what circumstances.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (43713)	12/21/2003 12:44:18 PM
From: glenn_a	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Ray. Thanks for your very gracious reply to my post. And here I was concerned that you might not find it relevant. (smile) Well, I'm quite bummed because I already typed up a reply, and then lost it it the quirks of HTML state session mgt. Doah! ... So here goes my second attempt. Yesterday I flew back to my hometown of Edmonton, AB for the holidays, so I am away from my "lair" so to speak. I will craft another reply when I return from the holidays, in particular addressing the whole "Post Modernism" angle. I rented my Aunt basement suite for several years in the 1990's, and she was a University Professor at the University of Alberta. From here I was able to gain insight into Post Modernist thought that I would have been unable to attain otherwise. I think it probably can have a bad rap associated with academic mumbo-jumbo and political correctness, but it offers some powerful perspectives, particularly regarding extending Marxist analyst of societal power relations to the reading of historical texts and literature. The seminal Post-modernist work of literary criticism is generally considered to be Edward Said's "Orientalism", but Chomsky's works also can be considered to fall under the Post-modern umbrella. Anyway, I'd like to comment more on this, but will save it for a week's time. Complete agree with your assessment of Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" - a seminal work in U.S. "alternative" history. I have some other books also that explore the alternative history of blacks and the native americans in the U.S. experience. Will try to comment on this in my next post also. In the realm of economic and financial analysis, the works of Charles Mackay, Jesse Livermore, and of course Warren Buffett and George Soros are familiar to me. Haven't come across the names Gerald Loeb, Felix Rohatyn, or Andrew Tobias that I recall. This is a whole other area that is fascinating to explore. I have at home Arundhati Roy's "God of Small Things", and have been meaning to read it. I've heard so many good things about both her humanism and her literary abilities. My introduction to Tariq Ali came from a Professor of Literature I met in a coffee shop who gained his formal education at the University of Baghdad in the 1960's. A wonderful fellow. In particular, he introduced me to Ali's fictional works "Shadows of a Pomegranate Tree" and "The Book of Saladin: A Novel" - wonderful fictional works providing an alternative view of Islamic history. I recall watching CBC's "CounterPoint", and seeing Tariq Ali debate the Washington Post's Charles Krauthammer. Tariq ran circles around Krauthammer IMO - who is such a bonehead (to my mind). For anyone interested in an overview of Carol Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope", in particular as it concerns the antics of the anglo "round table groups" and monetary history during the first half of the 20th century, you might be interested in referencing a series of 10 posts I posted on the "Money Supply & the Federal Reserve" board on SI: Message 17855776 ... probably a slightly more user-friendly intro into Quigly's "Tragedy and Hope" than delving directly into his 1300+ page tome. I haven't read any of Al Franken's books, but I loved his work on Saturday Night Live. He's a very witty character. And Michael Moore certainly brings a certain "in-your-face" attitude to the American right (personally, the whole left-vs-right thing I'm not quite so sold on - the entire world of the U.S. political elites seem hopelessly corrupt to my view ... though naturally there are some encouraging anomolies on both the left and the right). Finally, I'd like to wish all on this board a safe and happy holiday season, with best wishes for a more compassionate, humane, and just world in 2004 (never lose hope I figure). Best regards, Glenn