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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19879)	12/20/2003 4:05:24 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81023

Raymond > here's the most astonishing catch of my morning's trawl And something nice for the afternoon as well: nytimes.com >>>The broad presidential powers invoked by the Bush administration after Sept. 11, 2001, to detain suspected terrorists outside the civilian court system is now being challenged by the federal courts, the very branch of the government the White House hoped to circumvent. The two separate appellate court rulings on Thursday swept away crucial parts of the administration's legal strategy to handle terrorist suspects outside the criminal justice system and incarcerate them indefinitely without access to lawyers or to the evidence against them. In the case in San Francisco, a 2-to-1 panel said on Thursday that the detention of 660 noncitizens at Guantánamo Bay without the protection of the American legal system was unconstitutional and a violation of international law.<<<

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (19879)	12/21/2003 7:49:46 AM
From: mcg404	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81023

Ray, Thanks for the links. I love book recommendations…unfortunately without some background I’m afraid I didn’t even take the time to click the amazon link and read the reviews. And I probably read more than 9 of 10 americans. (not that you and glenn did not whet my reading appetite, but to reach those who have not yet succumbed to the kool-aid of a new world order we are going to have to work on the accessibility problem) <Chomsky, of course, is in a league of his own. "Manufacturing Consent" needs to be required reading for everyone who pretends that we live in a democracy.> Instead, I’d recommend ‘understanding power’ which I’d described as ‘manufacturing consent lite’. A much more accessible format and one of the most influential books I’ve ever read. Significantly changed the way I viewed the news – primarily by NOT viewing the ‘news’ (at least mainstream news) – since I cancelled my newspaper and stopped watching network news shortly after. I recommend it to everyone (with the warning that chomsky’s very left political views will cause some to reject the powerful insights he provides). <There is an evil that has overtaken the planet.> Stop Ray! (Sorry, an involuntary reaction ever time I now hear the e-word, you can guess who caused that (g)). But seriously, this is the language of the enemy – those who see the world in black and white and would demonize anyone who disagrees with their view of total globalization. I am in total agreement with respect to the damage to our planet and its inhabitants resulting from <the Business Roundtable, the Bilderberg meetings, the clavens of oil and arms profiteers, the White House, the highest echelon of the Department of Death and a few other nexuses> but seriously disagree with any suggestion that there is something intrinsically bad about these people. I’m convinced they view themselves as the good guys wearing the white hats and are busy making the world a better place for everyone, well everyone but the 'bad guys' of course. Very misguided people (imo), but well intentioned nevertheless. If you fight these people using their tactics are you really any better or just a different version? (much like the democrats are now just a different version of the republicans). The alternative? A detailed story that allows people to make the connections between these almost-impossible-to-grasp global issues and their daily lives, hmmm, lots of luck with that! Maybe a strategy of demonization would make more sense… <Of course, the 'people' don't wanna hear about it. They want to just sit down and watch the NFL spectacle, the WWE spectacle, the NASCAR spectacle, the Iraq War spectacle and eat lardass, chemical laden "snacks". Politics used to be a passion of the people. But the ruling elites have made certain that distraction now rules the day for the belligerently ignorant public.> So true. belligerently ignorant, and proud of it (it seems). Have we reached this point in our short history? “As long as there are any living who remember the days of oppression, they guard their liberties with a jealous vigor. Nevertheless, as future generations inherit the same privileges of democracy as their ancestors, yet without effort, they cease to cherish those benefits. Eventually individuals arise among them who, seeking pre-eminence, cater to the creature comforts of the masses, thereby hoping to win their favor. People sell cheap those liberties that have cost them nothing personally. “ Polybius and the Founding Fathers: the separation of powers, Marshall Lloyd sms.org John