To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (167 ) 12/23/2003 1:09:38 PM From: John Soileau Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 190 <<one was an accident and one was on purpose.>> From an eyewitness: "This morning, when she was killed, she was attempting to prevent the Israeli military from destroying Palestinian civilian homes," Arraf said. "She was raising her hands and yelling at the bulldozer driver to stop," Arraf said. "The bulldozer driver paid no attention. ... He buried Rachel with dirt, which ended up, obviously, knocking her down. Then he ran over her, and then reversed and ran over her again." This civilian death ensued during an Israeli military home-destroying operation, and there have been many, many others. But call it an "accident" if you like. <<Zionism is not a religious movement>> What a howler!You haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, or you're dissembling for sake of argument. Let's hear directly from a group that has no doubt that they are Zionists, and has no doubt just what that word means: ""Z" is for Zionist! We believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. WE ARE ZIONISTS!" (from bzfnetwork.net <<Have you been reading any Israeli sources? This assessment of the Israeli people (and Israel, being a democracy, does respond to the wishes of the people) is so far off as to be funny. The Israeli people want peace>> You attempted to counter my statement about the aims of "the Likudniks in power", with a statement about the aims of "the Israeli people". Bit of a nonsequitur, eh? A look at Sharon's recent approval ratings shows the gulf which has developed between the views of the two. Surely you are not naive (or slavishly devoted) enough to equate the two? <<the anti-semites you permit on your thread>>. Um, Nadine, this is not a monitored thread. Threads that are monitored say "monitored"; threads that aren't, don't---confusing as that is. Quite simply, I don't have the power to "permit" antisemites (or for that matter antipalestinians), to post here, nor to deny them; as most other places on SI, ANYONE can post here, the witty and intelligent, the foolish and dull. I'll end this with an appropriate quote: " I wish you knew what you were talking about". Regards, John