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To: carranza2 who wrote (121964)	12/23/2003 11:03:43 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The author is apparently not a trained lawyer, but you, apparently, allegedly, are? I wonder. As usual around here, somebody has the one true case, which mysteriously and magically happens to go with the one true course Cheney has sent W marching down.

To: carranza2 who wrote (121964)	12/23/2003 4:05:24 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The law, as presently interpreted, properly in my view, is that an enemy combatant captured and imprisoned overseas cannot invoke US rules on due process because the territorial reach of the federal courts does not allow them to provide him with any relief. This is absolutely clear from Johnson v. Eisentrager That's interesting. I'd be interested to hear more of "Cliff Notes" version of the major precendent cases, suitably dumbed down for those of us (like me) who are not lawyers.

To: carranza2 who wrote (121964)	12/23/2003 7:11:07 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thanks for the welcome, C2 and for the Merry Xmas. Ditto to you and your family. The best article I've read in the most recent issue is by Michael Scott Doran entitled "The Saudi Paradox." Doran offers, at least for me, a quite different way to read Saudi Arabia. I've been following his work since 01 and found it particularly helpful. He takes the conflict between Abullah and Nayef, the modernizers, the inclusive Sunnis with the traditionalists, the exclusive Wahhabis as one interpretive thread. And adds a second, the Wahhabi hatred for the Shias. And then reads that across Saudia Arabian politics. And a portion of ME politics as well. I recommend this piece highly. foreignaffairs.org.

To: carranza2 who wrote (121964)	12/30/2003 10:56:25 PM
From: tekboy	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

just dropping by and happened to catch this: "the author...is apparently not a trained lawyer" Now I'm not a huge fan of the piece myself, but I will say that Ken Roth, the author in question, is a lawyer and former prosecutor and does know a thing or two about the subject... hrw.org Everyone should obviously check out the hometown hero, Steve Rogers, as has been pointed out, and the Doran piece is indeed excellent, as John says... sorry I haven't been around much, tbby2 is on the way any day now and I've been quite busy preparing the ground... :0) tb@justwhenIgotthefirsttoilettrained,too.dam