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To: jttmab who wrote (122320)	12/28/2003 8:13:46 AM
From: Copperfield	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sooner or later wars end. The US firebombed and used nuclear weapons on Japan but the country rebuilt itself as an economic competitor. In the 1850's Britain and France got into a war with Russia for a variety of reasons. They won the war but soon went home. Russia is still there. The Charge of the Light Brigade Alfred, Lord Tennyson Half a league, half a league, Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. "Forward, the Light Brigade! "Charge for the guns!" he said: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. "Forward, the Light Brigade!" Was there a man dismay'd? Not tho' the soldier knew Someone had blunder'd: Their's not to make reply, Their's not to reason why, Their's but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon in front of them Volley'd and thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well, Into the jaws of Death, Into the mouth of Hell Rode the six hundred. Flash'd all their sabres bare, Flash'd as they turn'd in air, Sabring the gunners there, Charging an army, while All the world wonder'd: Plunged in the battery-smoke Right thro' the line they broke; Cossack and Russian Reel'd from the sabre stroke Shatter'd and sunder'd. Then they rode back, but not Not the six hundred. Cannon to right of them, Cannon to left of them, Cannon behind them Volley'd and thunder'd; Storm'd at with shot and shell, While horse and hero fell, They that had fought so well Came thro' the jaws of Death Back from the mouth of Hell, All that was left of them, Left of six hundred. When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wondered. Honor the charge they made, Honor the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred.

To: jttmab who wrote (122320)	12/28/2003 9:01:18 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<<You may have stumbled on the win-win solution. The other side may have the same solution in mind. With nuclear and biological weapons as they are, both sides can achieve the same goal.>>> Any Muslim Nation leader that proclaims publicly that his religion forces him to eliminate all non-believers is in dire trouble and now knows it. Two countries have had enforced regime changes at a price of less that 700 US combat casualties. The modern way, and IMO the right has been to try to save the civilians and some of our troops have been sacrificed to that end. We did have the power to totally crush Iraq. Any country that is known to harbor border-hopping terrorists- the same applies. The world will not tolerate it Arab leaders now know that and some like SA are taking action. Its beginning to look like enforcers or monitors may be needed in many countries for long periods.At least until a stable functioning government is established. The UN should have a big role in that effort but its goal is to have a talking forum where good and bad both have a voice and get to communicate. If the UN gets teeth then the "bad" nations would tend to leave. Perhaps it has turned out for the best that the UN condemned Saddam for 12 years, but alas, was unable to prevent a loose cannon -a wild-a$$ed cowboy like GWB, from trying to save the world from an economic disaster. Just have patience, they are still trying to bring down airliners, and when they hit an Air France transport attitudes will change. Sig