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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (79837)	12/29/2003 6:37:15 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Whether God provides it so that we can dicifer it or that it just exists as ideas in the aether that are rationally derivable; we all agree that morality exists" Correct. We can all agree on morality--which is observable and capable of experience. Whether God exists is akin to the possibility of whether there are refrigerators in my toes. Nobody seems to have proof for or against such a belief so why should I not claim it as equal to the "God" belief (which is, of course, contradicted by several hundred thousand other "God" beliefs). One hates to laugh. Certainly I will not mock. And yet one hates to laugh... If only a particular theist could give even the most feeble rationale for his/her dogmatic structure? That would be such an experience! How great if we could all simply live in peace and brotherhood and admit to what we do and do not know. How great if we could share awe and mystery without bowing to liars, charlatans, and misfits? Do we catch a comet or do we make home-made bombs? Only the most refined idiots of society can guide us in such a relentless fog... Of course we could always ignore them and choose to live with a humanist creed, and to ignore our moral superiors from everywhere...

To: one_less who wrote (79837)	12/29/2003 6:51:37 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Morality undoubtably exists. Whether God provides it so that we can dicifer it or that it just exists as ideas in the aether that are rationally derivable; we all agree that morality exists. I think all possible origins are covered by that statement. Its converse is demonstrably untrue. But it does nothing to unravel the origin of moral codes. There are the simple observations that I am not all knowing or all powerful. Yet there is an all that is beyond my personal ability to comprehend it in detail or parcel let alone have the power to grasp or control. Insufficient evidence. The conditions you stipulate can be net by any existence suuficiently larger and more complex than you regardless of origin. There is a great deal of evidence that the universe is a purposeful place and that the purposes are beyond just purpetuating physical existence. Cite it. What do you consider a mystical experience? Misfiring neurons. What evidence do you have to refute it. I have to refute the existence of a non-physical, non-demonstrable being? Since you make the claim of the existence of such, isn't the onus on you to prove it? But even were I to admit such existed, it proves little. How do you know it is not Thor or Jupiter or Vishnu or Yahweh or Satan rather than Allah? I have no clue how that would even be possible. By forcibly taking my money and building shrines to your God.