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Ray Duray
spends a lot
of time
thinking about
the war in
Iraq.
And he isn't
shy about
making his
antiwar
feelings
known. As the
local
representative
of the
national
antiwar group
Not In Our
Name, Duray
said he has
recently
organized
peace
protests in
Bend.
He showed up Sunday to the first session of an Oregon State
University class dedicated to discussing the Iraq conflict with a "No
War" button pinned to his chest.
He was one of about 50 people that attended Sunday's initial
meeting of the class titled, "War and Peace: A Dialogue."
Not everyone who claimed a seat for the two-hour session, shares
Duray's point of view.
Mike Knoell, a 59-year-old Bend investment banker, said he came to
see if the class that billed itself as neutral discussion of issues was
actually colored with antiwar bias.
He carried with him a copy of a recent newspaper article that
stated the class would discuss the "costs" of war.
Knoell said a more balanced curriculum ought to include a chapter on
the benefits of deposing Saddam Hussein.
After hearing brief introductions from the six OSU instructors who
will take turns leading the class during its weekly meetings between
now and May 8, Knoell said he is convinced that most of the
teachers are against the war.
Still, he is not ready to bail out of the class just yet.
"I think I might well come back," he said of next week's session
when the class will discuss how the war has been marketed to the
public.
"At this point I'm curious to see how someone with a different view
might be received," Knoell said.
That is exactly the kind of response that organizer Natalie Dollar, an
OSU Cascades Campus communications instructor, was hoping to
get when she put the class together.
The class dialogue she envisions is not just an extension of the
conversations that many Central Oregonians are having daily with
friends, family and colleagues.
The eight-week course, said Dollar, is a chance for people to
interact with others that don't necessarily share their same
background or values.
"One of the things we are trying to do here is expose everyone to
the diversity of this community," she said.
While everyone in the room Sunday shared a skin color, Dollar
pointed out that they don't necessarily share the same class
background, political views, religion or even sexual orientation.
But inside Room 248 in Cascade Hall everyone is on equal footing.
Students and teachers all play by the same set of rules when
discussing the war, said Dollar, with the underlying principal being
respect for others' opinions.
The class, she said, is not a bully pulpit for anyone's political views,
including the instructors — a principle she was quick to convey
Sunday.
"We're not going to let you get up on your soapbox and try to
convince people to sign up for your organization, okay?" she said.
Dollar said she knows that won't be easy for this group whose
members bear little resemblance to the sometimes apathetic
gathering of undergraduates in many college classrooms.
Most of the students who showed up Monday are looking for
discussion, not a degree. A quick show of hands at the start of
class, revealed only a handful of students are taking the course for
credit. The majority of the class, Dollar said, are here because they
have strong opinions about what they see on television and read in
the newspaper.
Duray is one of them.
When asked about war, his eyes narrow and fix intently behind his
plastic framed glasses. A media cabal in bed with the government,
said Duray, has failed to report the real facts about the politics of
the war. His cheeks go flush and begin twitch as he expounds on
NBC's relationship with its parent company General Electric, a
dominant player in the defense industry.
"It's astonishing what's not in the major dailies across the country,"
he said, before launching into an impromptu quiz on media ownership
directed at a reporter.
A few feet away, sat Pam McGurn with her husband Dave.
McGurn, a 49-year-old advocate for the mentally ill, said she has
mixed feelings about the war. She and her husband who opposes
the war have been discussing the issue at home with their
20-year-old daughter and among friends.
They came to learn more about what other people think and to get
some larger context for the conflict.
"It's a topic that is really interesting right now," said McGurn.
Dave McGurn, who works as an electrical contractor, said he
expects the class to have something of anti-war slant. And that is
alright with him.
"I guess I expected it to have a fairly anti-war, liberal perspective
but that is in keeping with what I think anyway," McGurn said.
For information about the course, contact Natalie Dollar, 322-3140
or ndollar@osucascades.edu
Eric Flowers can be reached at 541-504-2336 or
eflowers@bendbulletin.com
Ray Duray, regional coordinator for Not In Our Name (http://www.co-watch.org/Conion/nion.htm), told the TV reporter that after the Sept. 11 attacks,
he was “all in favor of our action against Afghanistan,” but he feels very differently about the impending steps against Iraq.
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Some famous Rayduhs:
Duray celebrates US deaths in Iraq:
Message 19506304
Speaking of a good offense, it looks like the Iraqi freedom fighters just scored a twofer:
Copter Crashes in Iraq Kill 17 Soldiers
chicagotribune.com.
By MARIAM FAM
Associated Press Writer
Published November 15, 2003, 9:37 PM CST
MOSUL, Iraq -- Two Black Hawk helicopters collided and crashed Saturday night, killing 17 American soldiers in the U.S. military's worst single loss of life since the Iraq war began.
Five soldiers were injured and one was missing, the military said. One helicopter smashed into the roof of a house, witnesses said, and there were reports one of the aircraft was shot down.
As the U.S. death toll in Iraq passed the 400 mark, the Iraqi Governing Council endorsed a U.S. plan Saturday that would create a provisional government by June. The transfer of power would provide Washington with an "exit strategy" in the face of escalating guerrilla warfare.
The two Black Hawks, which belonged to the 101st Airborne Division, went down in the Borsa residential neighborhood of Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city.
A statement by the U.S. command said one helicopter was carrying a quick reaction force and the other ferried soldiers on a transport mission in northern Iraq.
The statement did not give the cause of the crash, although some soldiers at the scene said at least one of the Black Hawks may have been hit by ground fire.
Continues..........
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sandy, how do you think Little King George is going to try to spin this one? Or is he going to keep quiet about it while he plans to meet the English families of fallen soldiers while avoiding the American families like a plague?
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"I don't care that much about our soldiers. They knowingly signed up to be murderers for hire. "
Message 19059032
To:American Spirit who wrote (418334)
From: Raymond Duray
Wednesday, Jun 25, 2003 12:56 AM
View Replies (4) | Respond to of 422536
AS,
Frankly, I don't care that much about our soldiers. They knowingly signed up to be murderers for hire. Anyone who talks about "national defense" knows that they are just blowing smoke to cover their basically vile natures. They know that there will never be Soviet soldiers in the Hamptons where we are putting up a valiant defense to save the nation. Every one who goes into the military knows what it is all about. Kicking foreign ass on foreign soil. And getting a GI Bill bennie. Selfishness and xenophobia in a convenient, state-sponsored package.
It is innocent citizens of Iraq who were first oppressed by Saddam and now by Bush that I really feel empathy for. The mad games of our so-called "leaders" sure create a heck of a lot of havoc for people just like us in Iraq, Columbia, the Philipines and elsewhere who just want to have decent lives. Instead we get "leadership". I think it's time for a lot less of that. Time for more cooperation, localism and leisure.
sfworlds.com
Corporations suck, Bush sucks. Cooperatives are the future of this planet, if we are to have one.
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Duray says Washington murders are p/o Bush's police state plans:
Message 18075857
siliconinvestor.com.
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Ray Duray calls WTC hijackers heroes!
Message 17978329
Raymond never said it? Here's proof he did say those 9/11 terrorists are heroes...
Subject: Incivility to our Allies
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:16:11 -0700
From: Ray Duray rduray@bendcable.com
To: tedmorris@zianet.com
Mr. Morris,
I was looking over your website regarding Diego Garcia and came across your exchange with Kevin Seelbuck of Deakin University, Australia.
Sir, are you deranged? What kind of a response was that that you offered him to his polite email regarding the plight of the original Diego Garcians? As an American, I am ashamed of your callous, insensitive and stupid attitude toward your correspondent, and toward the victims of our world domination schemes. I believe an apology is owed, and an attitude adjustment is in order. Just what in the hell do you think the martyrs blew up the WTC towers for?
Because of attitudes like yours. Figure it out and grow up.
Raymond G. Duray
Martyrs... heroes... is there a difference?
You want the link?
zianet.com
GZ
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Duray's infamous post (or as close as you can get):
Message 17703379
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Message 18390116
(His assertions in that were conclusively disproven and even he admitted so at one point, although he backslides whenever he thinks no one is watching.)
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