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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (122740)	1/4/2004 1:57:14 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<you are really a closet fascist, or you just hate America.> Hugs and kisses to you, too, Nadine. Here's how the HeartsAndMinds campaign of our "liberation" is going: The American troops who burst into his mosque on Thursday morning had smashed down the front gate, broken the air conditioners and ripped up the carpets. They had also thrown several Korans on the floor and allegedly punched the man giving the call to prayer in the face. "They even took our nuts," said Mr Kaisey yesterday, opening the door of the mosque's empty fridge. The troops who raided the Ibn Taymiyah mosque, used by Baghdad's Sunnis, appear to have been looking for weapons used by Iraq's resistance. They recovered a couple of AK-47s, hand grenades and an anti-aircraft missile, US military officials said. Abdul Sattar, the mosque's imam, said the weapons were used by its guards. "They were there to protect ourselves," he told the Arabic TV station Al-Jazeera, which showed images of the damaged Korans. The raid has served to increase the anger and frustration of Iraq's Sunnis, who feel marginalised and discriminated against in post-Saddam Iraq. Yesterday, hundreds of worshippers demonstrated against the raid and US occupation. "This is not the behaviour of liberators but occupiers," Mr Kaisey said, pointing to the metal collection box which had been smashed open by US troops. They had taken the money which was supposed to go to the poor and also the mosque's computers, used to produce a bi-weekly newsletter, he said. "Americans might have the latest technology, but they make little effort to understand people's souls," he said. commondreams.org

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (122740)	1/4/2004 1:45:43 PM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

You're really on a roll today, Nadine. Long-timers here are quite familiar with the "hate America" line for anybody not four-square behind the war marketeers. All part of "civility" in the neoconese looking-glass sense of the word.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (122740)	1/4/2004 8:00:15 PM
From: John Soileau	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Why don't you try telling the Iranians and the Kuwaities how small, defenseless and innocent Saddam's Iraq was?>> Nadine, he said "small defenseless", not "innocent" (READ the post). You obviously added "innocent" to enhance your ability to respond with indignation. Cheap, cheap, cheap argumentative ploy. You expect to get away with that here? Try and respond to the thesis actually presented, not an artificial one baked in your mind. <<Iraq, the country that attacked all its neighbors, gassed its own citizens, filled its own coutry with weapons caches and mass graves, trained, supported and hired terrorists all over the Mideast>> Yes, Iraq attacked its neighbors, and the last of the attacks were seen more than a decade ago, before Iraq got a good whacking. However, the (rightfully) embargoed, overflown, and badly infrastructure-decayed RECENT Iraq, which was the subject of the military action in 2003, is what the poster was referring to. Again, you responded to something other than the thesis actually presented. Is there a pattern here? <<then either you are really a closet fascist, or you just hate America.>> Ah, ad hominem argumentation with a flag wrapping, always a comfortable refuge when an effective response is just not at hand. I think you owe Anne Coulter a royalty on that last one.