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To: michael97123 who wrote (23191)	1/6/2004 2:38:42 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793640

Dean is doubtless arrogant, as many docs (incl. those in my own immed family). But he has an attitude I can agree with. I'm not so much a fan of Dean as some sort of Hollywood/Washington image, as his courage to call gov't and machine politicians to account, which no one else of any stature has deigned to do. The GOP are secretive, lockstep and dangerous, and the Dems are jellyfish and useless. The Bush arrogance is a disregard for human life, in favor of ivory-tower neocon strategies. Re: "PNAC/Neocon conspiracy", there doesn't need to be a carefully planned conspiracy, to have an entire group of power-mongers moving together in their own self-interest. That's the essence of what the Framers knew would happen with lack of representation in gov't. We do have an extraordinary number of neocon cohorts who have schemed for decades on the M.E., and are seeing themselves in power and so eager to bring their plans about they feel they can bypass certain niceties, like due process and the truth. The situation in Iraq is an issue because we did not have that debate. Sure, they had history of WMD programs, but were subjugated and being inspected. Instead we were force-fed nonsense and falsehoods, and our esteemed reps in Congress, at least 75 of them, were told to expect remotely-piloted planes carrying nukes or germ warfare to the US if they didn't move immediately. These were outright lies. This kind of hijacking of the process is nothing short of criminal. This behavior creates cynicism, to the extent that many are afraid of further strong-arm political tactics, such as "WMDs" and leading terrorists to be discovered in an October surprise, without transparency, conflicting claims, etc. As far as Saudi princes, they are the enemy of the US, and shouldn't be kissing presidential envoys in Crawford. The 10% of US oil gotten from Saudi Arabia can be threatened with a simple announcement of any of dozens of conservation and alternate energy programs on the boards, instead of the nonsense programs to push the issue into the year 2020. The ME problem is exacerbated by US involvement in the Arab-Israeli conflict, which will become less important if the US withdraws military involvement and hands that over to the UN. The terrorist state that 911 is a direct result of US involvement in the ME.

To: michael97123 who wrote (23191)	1/6/2004 2:49:27 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793640

It will be interesting to hear what Dean says when he is asked who would serve in his administration. I am so sorry for your son's friend, but I don't think it is considered murder when a person volunteers for military duty and dies serving in a time of war. What is most disturbing is the lack of concern for the gravity of the situation by those on the left......they just don't seem to be taking the war on terror very seriously. I look forward to a few journalists writing articles that bring up this issue. Perhaps then it will become a thoughtful part of the debate? At least one can hope. M

To: michael97123 who wrote (23191)	1/6/2004 3:02:45 PM
From: gamesmistress	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793640

The name calling should stop on both sides. Don't hold your breath. This year's Presidential campaign is going to be the nastiest ever. Bush has the advantage of incumbency, so he may take the high road and point to the improving economy, gradual stabilization in Iraq, etc, but who knows. Another terrorist attack on US is a big wild card politically. Otherwise, I think Dean's going to prove too good a target, and both sides are sufficiently bellicose to get down and dirty. Saddam's trial could also help Bush. As a blogger on another site (can't remember which one) said, "Imagine the effect of seeing Saddam's victims on TV, testifing to the torture they endured at his hands. Then imagine Bush's campaign saying, "If it were up to Howard Dean, Saddam would still be in power." "