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To: unclewest who wrote (23313)	1/7/2004 10:58:07 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793690

Why am I not surprised. Military Times Poll Today's Military: Right, Republican And Principled Who do you think has higher moral values? Members of the U.S. military -- 66%, U.S. civilians -- 2%, Both have about the same standard -- 31% The 2003 Military Times Poll reveals a military more conservative, more Republican, and one that considers itself to be morally superior to the nation its serves. The figures add fuel to a debate, ongoing since at least the end of the Vietnam War, over whether there is a gap in attitudes between America and its military and whether that is a cause for concern. Especially troubling, some observers say, are indications that military members do not believe the nation's civilian leadership has their best interests at heart. The poll found: About half described their political views as conservative or very conservative; four in 10 called themselves moderate; and only 7 percent called themselves liberal. More than half called themselves Republicans, and just 13 percent said they are Democrats. Recent polls of the general public show the nation evenly split, with Democrats, Republicans and independents making up about a third of the population each. Two-thirds said they think military members have higher moral standards than the nation they serve. More than 60 percent called the country's moral standards only fair or poor. In follow-up interviews, service members repeatedly said the choice to serve, by itself, demonstrates moral quality above most civilians. Once in the military, many said, members are wrapped in a culture that values honor and morality. "Even if you don't have it when you enlist, they breed it into you to be a better person," said Army Sgt. Kevin Blanchard, a cavalry scout with 3rd Squadron, 4th Cavalry at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii. "When you go home you see how you're different than the people you grew up with." Many also mentioned what they considered an increase in sex and vulgarity in popular media. Respondents were evenly split on the question of whether civilian leaders have their best interests at heart. To some observers, the figures are yet more evidence of a troubling divide between the military and civilian society. "The country and the military profession are best served by an officer corps that is apolitical," said Andrew Bacevich, a retired Army colonel and professor of international relations at Boston University. "That doesn't mean that officers don't vote, but for them to collectively identify themselves with one or the other party strikes me as simply unhealthy." University of North Carolina professor Richard Kohn co-authored a 1999 study on the civilian-military gap issued by the Triangle Institute for Security Studies. That study, which surveyed thousands of students at staff colleges, also found a military sharply more Republican and conservative than the nation, and one at odds with civilian leaders on a host of issues. "The alienation from the 1990s continues, and was not simply based on hatred of Bill Clinton or distrust of the Democrats, as some argued about our results," Kohn said in an e-mail interview. "It's endemic to the highly professionalized, all-volunteer military of the last generation." Gordon Trowbridge Times Staff Writer Army Times January 5, 2004 braden.weblogs.com

To: unclewest who wrote (23313)	1/8/2004 12:34:56 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793690

This one's for you. Seals vs. Green Beret Two Seals boarded a quick shuttle flight out of Dallas, headed for Houston. One sat in the window seat, the other sat in the middle seat. Just before take-off, A Green Beret got on and took the aisle seat next to the two Seals. The Green Beret kicked off his boots, wiggled his toes and was settling in when the Seal in the window seat said,"I think I'll get up and get a coke." "No problem," said the Green Beret, "I'll get it for you." While he was gone, the Seal picked up the Green Beret's boot and spit in it. When the Green Beret returned with the coke, the other Seal said, "That looks good, I think I'll have one too." Again, the Green Beret obligingly went to fetch it and while he was gone, the Seal picked up the other boot and spit in it. The Green Beret returned and they all sat back and enjoyed the short flight to Houston. As the plane was landing, the Green Beret slipped his feet into his boots and knew immediately what had happened. "How long must this go on?" the Green Beret asked. "This fighting between our groups? This hatred? This animosity? This spitting in boots and pissing in cokes?"