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Politics : Foreign Policy Discussion Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (6515)	1/8/2004 11:21:14 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Chinu You said...." People like you when keeping harping constantly on Wahabism give it away as a religious war, no matter what the hell you say on the surface. if there is a desire to make the world safer go after these cells that we know are spreading terror, such as those in Pakistan, Phillipines and even Syria even if these countries do not have oil. Let us stop attacking Islam like wimps, "..... You are suggesting the free world attack these muslim/islam controlled countries because we think believe there are terrorists cells there? What if the free world were to do that and we can't find any terrorist cells?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (6515)	1/8/2004 3:03:40 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

But yesterday, across the newswires (TV, Fox News) there was a clip which said that Pakistan was the real threat. And your point? Have Pakistanis attacked the US enmasse, or has the Pakistani government continued to overtly support the Taliban and/or militant elements in the NW part of the country? Is it likely that they will continue to proliferate nuclear weapons now that past actions by some of their scientists are seeing the light of day? Pakistan is a divided country, with divided power bases, as is Saudi Arabia and many others.. But the role the US can, and has, played, is one of offering a carrot for them to shape up, while backing up that offer with a stick. That's all I'm asking in Saudi Arabia, for now.. That the Saudi internal security apparatus lock down the militant clerics and cut off funding for militant groups. And a concerted effort to moderate their social and educational system in order to downplay militant beliefs in their society. People like you when keeping harping constantly on Wahabism give it away as a religious war, no matter what the hell you say on the surface. Maybe if we didn't see militant and intolerant rantings coming from the leaders of the Wahhabist clerics (who control THE Islamic holy sites) I wouldn't have a reason to gripe. But I have little reason to suspect such a moderation is going to take place unless we "influence" it through vieled, or direct, threat. I mean, face some facts, it's not an easy choice for the Saudi royal family to make, risking the unleashing of pandora's box by taking on the militant clerics. They face deteriorating economic and demographic conditions, a restless Shiite community heartened by events in Iraq, and internal royal power struggles for the crown. So they're not inclined to "do the right thing" unless their arm is twisted and given no choice. Pakistan is the hotbed of terrorism with their madrassas, nulear know-how etc. And which country was (is?) funding the Madrassas? Yep.. Saudi Arabia(ns) Hawk