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To: aladin who wrote (122943)	1/9/2004 12:09:59 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Oh, please. The Cheney / Rumsfeld inner circle is not exclusively Jewish or neocon. Neither Cheney nor Rumsfeld fit in those categories, and they're the guys in control. You can take your crapola anti-semitic accusations over to LindyBill's thread, he digs garbage like that.

To: aladin who wrote (122943)	1/9/2004 2:08:13 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Aw now John, that is gross misrepresentation of my post - #reply-19669813 ... to note the miracle of applied intelligence outside the US is not to deny its existence within it, not even close Thoreau was a US national, he opposed the slavers taking the northern half of México, to the best of his ability, and is widely famous for it - eserver.org [there are a number of other translations, you can find them in used bookstores all over] .... Webster was another genuine human being of that time, same stance, with arguably less consistency of thought but certainly great vigour of rhetoric ...... Twain opposed plattismo, the coopting of the struggle of the cubano for independence, in the name of Manifest Destiny .... i have quoted all three on these threads, along with many other US nationals The Polks of our species were in US power at the time of Thoreau and Webster, however .... to note this is not to deny the existence of positive influence, not even close ...... good and evil can often be seen within the same individuals - take Jefferson, who had some clear and useful thoughts on development of government, yet who in 1812 advocated taking from canadians their lands, 'a mere matter of marching' he called it, to resume the looting and murder of survivors from the civil war to the south thirty years before So it's not black and white, it never has been, and never will be ..... the trick is to lighten the general shade of grey, i think .... maybe we can find something on which to agree - i went back through the posts to where this thing between you and Win started, it seems to be DJ's post here - #reply-19662521 .... can we agree that Schäuble seems to be lecturing his countrymen and fellow euros? .... if yes, maybe we could extend it a bit, to an observation that people dissatisfied with current application of US power are not necessarily completely happy with all policies of their own nations? ..... i'm not, fwiw ..... and i'm not Jacob either, don't buy that perma-pacifist peace at any price line at all .... as for 'anti-jewish', where did that come from? - isn't 'neocon' short for 'neocontrol freak'? ..... cheers