My gosh, let me try--since I've got a bit of time on my hands today--to deal with at least some of what you wrote:
>>> Afghanistan was their main base, which was next door to Iraq.<<<
I didn't know that Afghanistan was a home base for Saddam, a dictator who controlled an Iraqi secular government. You do realize that Iraq was a secular, non-religious kind of government, that women amounted to 60 percent of those who attended university and that there was a real estate and a stock market? Well, maybe, pre-war, you didn't know that; and I guess this doesn't matter now.
>>>Afghanistan is toast (as a terrorist base) because of the U.S.<<<
I know. Now the country is back to growing opium. Yes, there's a government but it's pretty much only inside Kabul. You like this reult?
>>>Where do the terrorists go?<<<
They spread out all over the world in the intent to create new terrorists. Except now, due to Bush's invasion of Iraq, they have more influence in their recruting efforts. Thank you, Mr. Bush--your war sure helped make our children safer.
>>>Hey, there is a brutal dictator right next door that hates the U.S. as much as we do. Maybe he will help.<<<
I don't understand what you're getting at here. You're not talking about the new Canadian prime minister, are you--lol?
>>>The U.S. in the mean time has intelligence that says Saddam has WMDs.<<<
You mean the inventory of what the US supplied to Saddam didn't get completely checked off?
>>>Since there are terrorist camps in Iraq, and Saddam may be tempted to slip some of the chems or bios to terrorists for the chuckles (like the way he paid the families of suicide bombers against Israel)<<<
There are? The only one I was ever aware of was the one in the northeast section of the country where alignments are more akin to what's going on in Iran than Iraq.
>>>and he has broke every resolution against him, maybe we would be well served to fix that.<<<
You mean it's okay for Israel to break them, but not Iraq?
>>>We could also help the people in Iraq in the mean time.<<<
You mean help them like we did by keeping sanctions imposed? You mean help them by raining bombs upon them? You mean help them by making sure their oil is nice and in control? Are you really a "happy Iraqi" advocate? Heck, we can't even accept the new government they wish to put in place. But I'm sure we'll find a way to help them somehow, certainly on the oil issue. After all, we did make sure the Iraqi oil ministry stayed intact, didn't we?
>>> Getting the idea?<<<
Based on what you wrote, this question is laugable.
>>>Is this more implausable than the Bush wants to get his oil friends rich idea that the Bush hating idiots on this thread claim?<<<
No. There's more to it than that. But that is a bit of padding type benefit to the Bush insiders. Mostly, this war covers the illegitimacy of how Bush got elected; it made great cover for the bad economy and what with all the defense spending even tweaked it a bit; it did give Israel a warm, fuzzy feeling about America's commitment to it; the war and terror politics is just great for controlling opinion polling about the presidents job rating and all--makes for nice control; and, yes, the oil--hey, wouldn't you like to be in on the oil money?
>>>It might be to some, but these people are quite gullable imo.<<<
They sure are. Just like most people are who ask questions. And you know the ones who I think are particularly gullible? I think the ones who question authority are completely, totally and irreversibly gullible.
>>>Many think that all of these problems are caused by us to begin with, so they are already on the same side as the religious zealots who have waged war on us in this regard.<<<
Hmmm. I didn't realize, presuming I'm one of them, that that was my position. But, anyway, whether the issue be tin, rubber, gold, timber, diamonds or oil, I'm sure America over the past decades and centuries has been absolutely perfect to the rest of the world, sorta just like Americans were to the Native American Indians.
>>>I think you can get my point. Regarding Israel, they are on of our best friends, and I am not offended that this helps them out too.<<<
The best way to help Israel is for America to have a better and stronger, certainly more appreciative image in the eyes of the Arab world. But I think we've been too busy consuming oil for that to happen, eh?
>>>They are a just, free, and law abiding country that has many of the traits that our country has.<<<
And one trait they have in common with Iraq is a willingness to not abide by UN resolutions.
>>>Unless one believes that Israel and the U.S. are evil, seems like a pretty sound plan so far.<<<
I think it is "evil" to sacrifice people for profits. But that's not uncommon, is it?
>>>Anybody who believes the demo lie that we have abandoned this effort against Al Quaida are DAMN FOOLS imo. What evidence do you have that we have given up this fight. You can answer if you want, but I know the answer. You have NO EVIDENCE of that. None at all.<<<
I suppose the best argument is that the Bush-Cheney administration, in concert with Blair's, made a false case for war in Iraq. Again, having this war was great politics for Bush as Americans generally support a president whose operating under warlike conditions. Think Karl Rove isn't aware of this? If what you're saying is true and full of conviction then Bush wouldn't have needed those teleprompters when making his case. Why? Because he'd be speaking from the heart, from conviction instead of just saying what he needed to say in order to keep the script intact. Besides, by going after Saddam, it downplayed the very idea that OBL was still on the loose.
>>> There is NO LACK OF COMMITTMENT in this adminstration. That lack of committment can be found in most all of the dem candidates except Lieberman.<<<
Hey, what are writing from--a FOXnews script? Sure seems so.
>>>I suggest steering wide and clear of these bozos if you want to win this war. We have seen how the most recent dem Presidents (Carter and Clinton) have handled these affairs and is SCARES THE CRAP out of me. All we need is another Blackhawk down episode or Iranian hostage rescue attempts (before your time?) to put us back 20 years in this war. Jeez, get serious when you think about this scenario.<<<
Well, I'm very serious about the scenario of radical and fundamentalist Muslims taking the writing of Ann Coulter and saying, "See? See what the Americans really want!" And every time they do this, more terrorists get bred. Srexley, you really should wake up and smell the coffee here. Bush's actions are making more terrorists, not fewer.
>>> Nobody knows all the answers before the events. Maybe it is the attacks by the dems that suggest otherwise that have you fooled. Bush has said from the beginning that we need to be in for the long haul. He didn't offer guesses to the cost and length BECAUSE THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, and he is an honest man.<<<
Did Bush, your honest man, lie when he said that Saddam "kicked out the weapons inspectors?"
>>> If you think it is because Bush and his team are dumb or dishonest I think you are listening to too much of the anti-American demo propaganda.<<<
I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to read European, Asian, Mideastern and South and Latin American press to get that impression. America's media is lock, stock and barrel in line with cozying up to the U.S. presidency.
Hey, did you see any American media reporting on this?
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If so, please do show me--thanks!
>>> If you want to succeed in America, work hard and educate yourself. If you want to help others, encourage them to do the same.<<<
Great idea. Except we're bringing in the poor folk to do the work the privleged won't do. As for education, seems like the only education you want folks to have is to appreciate and toe the line with republicans. No thanks! It's said that one must help oneself before helping others. So how come it became that America helped itself to that which belonged to others, i.e., third worlders? Why has America been so dictator-friendly over past decades?
>>>Our country is not a socialist country, and the government is not intended to dole out jobs and provide for people. It is to protect our popualtion and to regulate a system that allows people to prosper. It is the greatest nation (and concept) on planet earth as of this moment. That some feel the gov't should supply for money and jobs for people is irrelevent. Maybe there are other countries that offer jobs and money they could look in to. But I don't think they will find a better gig. Much easier for them to complain about how shitty it is here and to offer support to Saddam and the terrorists. Although I hate those who do this, I am damn glad our country allows it. Gives me a nice opportunity to talk about what I think makes our country great (and to make fun of them at the same time).<<<
What would make this country great is if it became the world leader it ought to be. Sadly, America hasn't done much of this in recent decades. The answer to terrorism is not wars which only breed more terrorists, especially in a centuries-old Muslim vs. Christianity dispute. By the way, there was no slip of the tongue when Bush said America was on a crusade. He meant that. But it's my view that it's a crusade for the wrong reasons. If crusading need be then it should be to make the world safer, more educated and in good health--and taking the timber, tin, copper, silver, gold, diamonds, rubber and oil in the manner we did didn't help at all. What we've succeeded in doing is making America a great place for some people--not all people!
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