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To: carranza2 who wrote (123134)	1/13/2004 10:41:50 AM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

A nice post. However. given the obsessiveness with which W's administration has insisted on pushing an "Us or Them" line on the wider world, and the frequent local reiteration of variations on that line, I find it a tad ironic.

To: carranza2 who wrote (123134)	1/13/2004 2:04:44 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Actually i thought 'TROY' presented opportunity for graphic depiction, in 'the Helling of TROY', just had yet to work it in .... i never bother with that poster, and am unlikely to until s/he supplies information or thought worthy of the time 'Existe en política un principio preeminente, y anterior a todos los demás, que consiste en no ser pendejos.' geocities.com ... which is from - geocities.com Just now i had a long post to Nadine typed out, lost it when a site gave me 'illegal operation' ... it was www.elgusanodelaluz.com, don't know what's there but it'll be opositores venezolanos .... here are two of their yahoo groups [can't lurk without joining] - espanol.groups.yahoo.com gentedesoluciones.cjb.net There is nothing in our club rulebook that says US nationals are prohibited from joining the Rest of Us, quite the contrary, anybody who thinks about it would like to see the line between Us and Them drawn with the murdering whackos on one side and Us on the other ..... capitulating to bin Laden's terms of 'war' and accepting his principle of Might Makes Right is not going to achieve such a neat clean split, however .... to say that is not to say turn the other cheek to crime, not by a long shot, most of Us recognise that Right is going to need some Might to stick, it's how much and when, and above all, who decides, that count Hussein could have been taken down better by a broad and genuine coalition of democracies .... hard to say, the What If game is infinitely nebulous, but i think so, certainly the occupation and reconstruction would be going easier, the burden spread wider if nothing else, and a broader visage presented to the occupied .... but the neocons chose to focus on the UNSC, demonise the french and quickly lump us all under that category, then shrugged like little drama queens and rolled their tanks ..... it's the ease with which they write off our views that sets up apprehension, combined with so many little hypocrisies like their trade wars it shows an attitude that is deadly, that will draw the line between Them and Us where nobody beyond the bin Ladens wants it