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To: zonder who wrote (5631)	1/13/2004 11:29:42 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

The big problem, imo, is not that Bush believed erroneous information, or even that he repeated the erroneous information, it was that he believed AND repeated it, and embellished it (Iraq was a threat to the US? Ha) in order to take us to war. Anyone doing all those things would have been as guilty as Bush is. And everyone who believed the intelligence data, that obviously was faulty, has a duty to correct the system. The democrats and the republicans who believed it are, of course, engaging in CYA behaviors- and they are ALL to blame, and should be held accountable. Bush was the prime mover for this stupid war, though, and for that he must be held doubly accountable.

To: zonder who wrote (5631)	1/13/2004 11:34:18 AM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

zonder, you are on spot on Powell. I was disappointed that he did not have the true character to oppose Bush - his boss - on this. He knew it was wrong. That demonstrates a lot about his true character to me. For the Clinton critics - and Powell adorers - I would pose: * Person 1 - Avoids the truth, and misleads, on a personal issue of an affair with an intern. Impeached for this. * Person 2 - Avoids the clear truth, gives half truths in testimony before the UN - and ultimately decides it better to back his boss - even if the boss is wrong - than quit his job honorably - refuting the lies given. Leads to deaths of over 500 US soldiers, 9000 (at least) US wounded, and many thousands of Iraqi civilians dead. Which is the greater moral outrage? Which has the lesser character? My answer - of course you know - is person 2 - Gen. Powell.

To: zonder who wrote (5631)	1/13/2004 12:12:49 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Believe what you wish. There are firm links between Iraq & Al Qaeda & other terrorists. That's a fact. Colin Powell is Secretary of State. His job is not to clandestinely or otherwise investigate ties to terrorism. The CIA & other intelligence agencies do that. They had many ties between Saddam & terrorists, including Al Qaeda. Many of those ties were highly classified & could not be made public, including to Colin Powell for his Speech to the UN. The U.S. government's secret memo detailing cooperation between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. Message 19506425 The Saddam-Osama Memo (cont.) A close examination of the Defense Department's latest statement Message 19524655 Two blockbuster magazine articles last week revealed evidence that Saddam's spy agency and top Qaeda operatives certainly were in frequent contact for a decade, and that there is renewed reason to suspect an Iraqi spymaster in Prague may have helped finance the 9/11 attacks. Message 19534084 An Intelligent Democrat . . . Message 19569702 The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties From the December 29, 2003 / January 5, 2004 issue: Connecting the dots in 1998, but not in 2003. Message 19619772 Short-Term Memo-ry? Message 19524519 THIS STORY MUSTN'T DIE: Message 19509006 The evidence of an Iraq/al-Qaida connection hasn't gone away. Prague Revisited Message 19534201 THE VISIBLE HAND The Iraqi Connection Message 19540240