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To: maceng2 who wrote (44777)1/15/2004 5:45:48 PM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
Why White Men Prefer Asian Women

The View From A Sushi Bar

There is near me an Asian sushi-beer-and-dinner establishment that I’ll call the Asia Spot. The region is urban, so the clientele is a mix of some of just about everything, but the waitresses are all Asian, principally Japanese, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and Thai.

The Spot is a neighborhood bar. A large after-work crowd, many of them regulars, gather at happy hour. The social dynamics are curious. It would be an exaggeration to say, as someone did, that the black guys come to pick up white women, and the white men come to get away from them – but it would be an exaggeration of an underlying truth. The waitresses are a large part of the Spot’s appeal.

A common subject of conversation among male customers is how very attractive these women are when compared to American women. It is not a thought safe to utter in mixed company. It is a very common thought. American women know it.

Why are the Asians attractive? What, to huge numbers of men, makes almost any Asian more appealing than almost any American? The question is much discussed by men at the Spot. (I should say here that when I say “women,” I mean the majority of women, the mainstream, the center of gravity. Yes, there are exceptions and degrees.)

American women of my acquaintance offer several explanations, all of them wrong. For example, they say that Asian women are sexually easy. No. American women are sexually easy. The waitresses at the Spot are not available. They date, but they cannot be picked up.

Another explanation popular among American women is that men want submissive women, which Asians are believed to be. Again, no. For one thing, submissive people are bland and boring. In any event the waitresses aren’t submissive. Many compete successfully in tough professions. Among Asian waitresses I know I count an electrical engineer who does wide-area networks, and a woman with a masters in biochemistry who, upon finding that research required a Ph.D and didn’t pay, went back to school and became a dentist. Both of these wait tables to help out in the family restaurant.

At the Spot I know a woman waitressing her way through a degree in computer security, a bright Japansese college graduate making a career in the restaurant business, and the manager of the Spot – not a light-weight job. Submissiveness has nothing to do with their attractiveness.

Why, then, are they so very appealing?

To begin with, look at the American women in the Spot. Perhaps a third of them are stylishly dressed. The rest of the gringas run from undistinguished to dumpster-casual: baggy jeans, oversize shirts -- often male shirts -- with the tails out. They seem to affect a sort of homeless chic, actually to want to look bad, and do it with more than a touch of androgyny. A high proportion are at least somewhat overweight. (So are the men, but that’s another subject.) The Asians, without exception, are sleek, well-groomed, and dressed with an understated sexiness that never pushes trashy.

Further, the Asians are what were once called “ladies,” a thought repellant to feminists but very so refreshing to men. Listen to the American women at neighboring tables, and you will frequently hear phrases like, “He’s a fucking piece of shit.” In what appears to be a determined attempt to be men, they have adopted the mode of discourse of a male locker room and made it their normal language. The Asians, classier, better students of men, do not have foul mouths. They presumably know about body parts and bathroom functions, but do not believe that a woman raises her stature by referring to them constantly in mixed company.

Men at the Spot, I have noticed, instantly understand that cloacal commentqry is not wanted, and don’t engage in it: In the presence of the civilized, men adopt the standards of civilization. Men also tend to think of women as women think of themselves. The Asians, without displaying vanity, clearly think well of themselves. And ought to.

All in all, they give the impression that they do not want to be one of the guys. They want to be one of the girls. Here we come to the core of their appeal. Let me elaborate.

The default position of American women is what men refer to as “the chip,” a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men and a shaky sense of sexual identity. The result is a touchiness reminiscent of hungover ferrets. There is a bandsaw edge to them, a watching for any slight so that they can show that they aren’t going to take it. They are poised to lash out in aggressive defense of their manhood.

As best as I can tell, they don’t like being women. Here is the entire problem in five words.

The Asians at the Spot show every indication that they do like being women. They do not seem to have anything to prove. Being happy with what they are allows them to be comfortable with what they are not – men. They are not competing to be what they can’t be with people who can’t be anything else. They don’t have to establish their masculinity because they don’t want it. They do not assume, as American women tend to, that femaleness is a diseased condition to be treated by male clothes, gutter language, and bad temper.

I’ve spent many dozens of hours chatting with the gals at the Spot, and never seen a sign of the chip. For a man, the experience is wonderful beyond description – smart, pretty, classy women, who are women, and are not the enemy. As long as American women carry the chip, the Asian gals will eat them alive in the dating market.

Note that the espousal of hostile obnoxiousness as a guiding philosophy appears to be an almost uniquely American horror. It certainly isn’t requisite to independence oe self-respect. I recently met a quite attractive blonde who, among other things, was smart, a long-haul motorcyclist, a student of the martial arts out of sheer athletic enjoyment of it, and an excellent marksman. She was also heterosexual, feminine, delightful company, and had no trace of “the chip.” I was astonished. How was this possible, I wondered?

She was Canadian. www.fredoneverything.net



To: maceng2 who wrote (44777)1/15/2004 6:01:05 PM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
All my math teachers were women as is my wife. My failure in math can't be blamed in the teachers themselves but in the idiotic curriculum of the Brazilian high school. I had to teach math ot myself enough for me to work.



To: maceng2 who wrote (44777)1/15/2004 6:06:20 PM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 74559
 
The US screwed up math teaching. In 1957, the Russians put the Spunik in orbit. It was a huge blow to the Americans. They were busy making cars with fins and the Russians were producing scientists and engineers by the bus-load.

To compete the Americans changed the curriculum of thier schools heavy on math. By accident Elmat stated the first year of his high school with what was called "modern mathematics".

Because the Brazilians were aping the Americnas they chnaged their curriculum too. But since anything that gest done y govenrments are always done wrong, they screw up a few generations of students until the damage started being corrected in the 90's 30 years after Elmat discovered math was being taught the wrong way.



To: maceng2 who wrote (44777)1/15/2004 6:27:44 PM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 74559
 
How the US screwed the engineering profession. Running for spurious sense of national pride, emphasis in the engineering profession was granted. (Remember we are talking about Cold War years.) The Olympic Games happened only every four years, so it was necessary some other sort of 'achievement'.

The space race provided the imagination capture device (look today, 45 years after, Bush Mars and Moon visionn or 30 years later Reagan Star Wars).

But what a scientific endeavour that at normal pace should have taken 30 years had to be done in 10. With ancient transistors, vaccum tubes, sliding rules, expensive and rare computer raw power and pre-historic software.

Because of that lack of technological resources, the engineering profession had to be made up to achieve without the tools. Picture Leonardo da Vicni making a submarine or a helicopter he drew to have an idea of magnitude.

Zero defects. Testing ad nauseam. All that if confined to the space race itself, would have been a great idea. But that spiled out into every field of engineering.
The schools all over the world started doing the aping and for decades we suffered from the after effects of the space race engineering disease.

Yeah, I remember MIL SPEC. I also remember the fact that the electronics industry, optics, motorcycle, shipbuilding etc etc were 'outsourced' and the US lost competitivity in all of them. All industries that the US was top and invented some of them. All burnt in the altar of prestige project.

Thanks God this is all history and later we had Taiwanese, Hong Kong South Korean and today Chinese who destroyed the engineering concepts that underlied the space race.

I will click send, and TCP-IP, connectionless -a concept I love and every engineer should love- will send this message to a server somewhere. I will fire and forget. Don't know how it gest there, but it will. 1.000 defects, and works.

Despite not learning, math, despite taking two decades to discover waht was wrong, both with math and the engineering profession, I helped for the last 30 years build that stuff.



To: maceng2 who wrote (44777)1/16/2004 1:10:03 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
PB women aren't good at maths. What Fred wrote is correct. But what matters is the why?

Surprising though it might be to some people, men and women are different.

My theory on why women aren't as good as men at mathematics and related subjects such as engineering and science is as follows. First though, stupid men, and dopey women's lib feminists should realize that we are talking about 99th percentile brain function here, not down in the caveman realm. Stupid men shouldn't think themselves better than women in general or any particular woman unless individually tested. This is statistics. Which means ignorant women needn't point out some particular woman they know who is really a top notch PhD mathematician as though that voids the theory.

Female brains mature about 3 years younger than male [in humans]. That means their brains are fully grown with no more bulking up to be done. From when brains are fully-grown, further development is a matter of fine-tuning only. That's why it's pointless to try to become the world's best anything unless the learning process was started before puberty when brain development is nearly all done. The younger the better.

To coin a phrase, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. That's why people learning foreign languages don't lose their accent if they are older than 25 when they learn the new sounds.

Females also have other differences such as a lack of a Y chromosome and a testosterone deficit, which could be observed in the obverse as being males lacking an X chromosome and being polluted with testosterone which addles the brain. Not to mention women being inherently good looking whereas males are like ugly pigs who smell like bears. Ignore those other differences and stick with the development process and the implications.

In a nutshell, females are deprived of mathematical education during the years in which their brains are rapidly growing. Males get a bonus three years of development time during which their brains are growing and during which time heavy duty mathematics is introduced.

To get to the top of any sport, such as mathematics, physics and golf, one needs to start young. The top 1% who get to enter the realm of big time maths and physics need to get to grips with it while young. Nobody decides to take up maths, physics or golf at age 25, having never been involved with them, and then becomes world champion.

A related issue is that boys do badly at school. That's the current worry in NZ education circles. They blame it on a lack of male role models [boys being brought up by single women and taught by nearly all female teachers]. Of course they do worse than females. Their brains are only partly developed. Females of the same age go swanking into class packing a big brain. If they are continuing subjects which they've already been tuned up in, then of course the boys with their child brains struggle compared with young women of the same age with adult brains.

Education needs to be tuned to the individual rather than whether they are a boy or a girl. Dumping them all into an age cohort and giving them the same stuff to learn by rote is child abuse. The females generally miss out on mathematics because they are given it too late.

Females, of course, choose subjects in which they've developed along as their brains have grown. Which means verbal subjects.

So, of course women don't win world championships in maths, physics and so on. They are being deprived of a full education. Unfortunately, they have 3 years less than boys in which to feed their brains new stuff before their brains are fully grown. That's just how it is.

Women shouldn't whine though. They should see what it's like to be contaminated with testosterone and the Y chromosome - the poor guys live fast, die young, suffer emotional and medical problems at a high rate, die before they collect their full share of pensions, are imprisoned and conscripted as cannon fodder. Women have it easy! Blokes [at the top end] having an advantage in maths is small consolation. Such guys are a great advantage to communities who can use their inventions, such as CDMA2000 phragmented photons. Women put on make-up and have fun while those competitive mathematical guys slave over 3rd order partial differential equations and Fourier Transforms in sublimated sexuality. It's just not fair.

So, there you have it.

Mqurice



To: maceng2 who wrote (44777)1/16/2004 6:24:15 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net  Respond to of 74559
 
The tests show significant differences between male and female >test participants<. Do high-testscore ladies prefer X to math? Possibly, but I would not know, what X would stand for. Law;)?

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