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To: American Spirit who wrote (24613)1/15/2004 11:27:10 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793698
 
I expect Dean to lose Iowa or win only by a few votes. Either way the bloom is off the rose and he will go down.

Dean was only figured for number two in Iowa. If he loses NH he will be in trouble. Losing Iowa would be a wound. but not a fatal one. Your best hope for Kerry is if he is enough peoples' number two pick.



To: American Spirit who wrote (24613)1/16/2004 12:27:42 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793698
 
Here. This should make you feel better.

John Kerry Brings Drama to Iowa Race
Terry Neal - Washington Post

Sen. John Kerry's entrance to a campaign event in Adel this afternoon was as dramatic as his seemingly sudden ascendence in this race.

Kerry toured the state by helicopter today, hitting about seven towns in the span of about 13 and half hours. For his fourth event of the day, Kerry's rental helicopter, with Kerry visible in the front passenger seat giving a thumbs up, touched down on Denny Dorman's bean farm in tiny Adel, about 30 minutes west of Des Moines.

Few people outside the Kerry campaign have given him much of a chance to win Iowa, but suddenly journalists and others watching the race are taking him seriously. It's been quite a turn around for the senator from Massachusetts, whose campaign until recently has seemed moribund and going nowhere fast.

A new survey of likely caucus voters by independent pollster Research 2000 has four candidates, Kerry, Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.), former Vermont governor Howard Dean and Sen. John Edwards (N.C.) in a virtual dead heat, all polling between 18 and 22 points. Given the poll's 4-point margin of error, it's too close to call.

Campaigning today around Iowa, Kerry demonstrated some of the reason he seems to be catching on with some voters. In a 20-minute stump speech, he focused on issues -- corporate responsibility, foreign policy, taxes and health care -- verbally slapped around President Bush, and said not a word about any of his Democratic opponents.

To be fair, the closing line of his speech is a direct and clear reference to Dean, but it's vague enough that it doesn't come off as a direct insult.

"As Democrats, we cannot just offer anger," he said. "We've got to offer solutions." He ends by urging people to caucus for him and to "go there not just to send a message, but to send America a president."

Kerry's spokeswoman Laura Capps echoed that sentiment, saying the senator was surging in Iowa because "people want someone who offers answers not just anger." She added that, "we haven't done any negative ads on TV or by mail either."

Maybe not. But Kerry certainly has taken his shots at Dean, although perhaps not as often or forcefully this week.

The Dean and Gephardt campaigns continue to hold on to what may now be an outdated paradigm.

"We still believe this is a Dean-Gephardt race," said Gephardt senior adviser Ed Reilly on a conference call with reporters today.

Reilly argued that polls simply couldn't account for organizational strength in caucuses, where so few people participate. Dean's camp echoes that sentiment, arguing that its small grass-roots army of volunteers would more than compensate for any slippage in the polls.

Campaigning in the northern part of the state today with newfound friend Carol Moseley Braun, Dean addressed the issue about whether the battle between him and Gephardt had become too negative.

Rejecting charges that his campaign had been too negative, he said, "This is a campaign of hope."

He better hope he's right.



To: American Spirit who wrote (24613)1/16/2004 2:02:52 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 793698
 
"the Bush AWOL issue"

Bush wasn't AWOL. National Guard magazine said it best in its Jan. 2001 edition:

Bush also was accused of skirting the draft by joining the Texas Air Guard in 1968. He became an F-102 fighter pilot before being discharged as a first lieutenant in 1973. [Former National Guard Bureau historian retired Col. Michael] Doubler says it is unfair to criticize those who joined the Guard during the Vietnam War. "The government allowed it and in many ways encouraged it," he said "There were a lot of things the government did to authorize people to serve in places other than the front lines."

Bush's drill performance also stirred controversy during the campaign. Some reports charged that he was absent for a year. However, probably the most comprehensive media review of Bush's military records concluded that while he, "served irregularly after the spring of 1972 and got an expedited discharge, he did accumulate the days of service required for him for his ultimate honorable discharge." The review was done by Georgemag.com, the online version of the magazine founded by the late John F. Kennedy Jr.

Guardsmen say Bush's service record is not unusual. "In any six-year time frame you probably can find some problems," says retired Rep. G.V. 'Sonny' Montgomery, D-Miss., founder of the House Guard and Reserve Caucus. "Just learning to fly the F-102 and not getting hurt and not hurting anybody is an accomplishment." Montgomery called Bush's election, "nothing but a plus for the Guard."

The New York Times also looked into the charge and found it lacked substance:

Two Democratic senators today called on Gov. George W. Bush to release his full military record to resolve doubts raised by a newspaper about whether he reported for required drills when he was in the Air National Guard in 1972 and 1973. But a review of records by The New York Times indicated that some of those concerns may be unfounded. The Times examined the record in response to a previous Boston Globe story.

Documents reviewed by The Times showed that Mr. Bush served in at least 9 of the 17 months in question... On Sept. 5, 1972, Mr. Bush asked his Texas Air National Guard superiors for assignment to the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery "for the months of September, October and November." Capt. Kenneth K. Lott, chief of the personnel branch of the 187th Tactical Recon Group, told the Texas commanders that training in September had already occurred but that more training was scheduled for Oct. 7 and 8 and Nov. 4 and 5. But Mr. Bartlett said Mr. Bush did not serve on those dates because he was involved in the Senate campaign, but he made up those dates later.

Colonel Turnipseed, who retired as a general, said in an interview that regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter. Mr. Bartlett pointed to a document in Mr. Bush's military records that showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May. The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10. Another document showed that Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973, a period of time questioned by The Globe.

Here's a link to the abstract of the NYT story. The text I provided came courtesy of AndrewSullivan.com

Even the Boston Globe's story admits Bush served more than the minimum time, and was a fine pilot:

Those who trained and flew with Bush, until he gave up flying in April 1972, said he was among the best pilots in the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron. In the 22-month period between the end of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called ''weekend warriors.''

Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam, logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early release from service.


Incidentally, Bush flew with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, which was attached to the 147th Fighter Wing, based in Houston, Texas. While Bush's unit never got called to Vietnam, the 147th was. From 1968 through 1970, pilots from the 147th participated in operation "Palace Alert" and served in Southeast Asia during the height of the Vietnam War. The 147th came off runway alert on Jan. 1, 1970 to start a new mission of training all F-102 pilots in the United States for the Air National Guard.

Bush enlisted as an Airman Basic in the 147th Fighter-Interceptor Group at Ellington Air Force Base, Houston, on May 28, 1968 - at a time when the 147th was actively participating in combat in Vietnam.
However, one can not train overnight to be a pilot. Bush completed basic flight training and then, from December 1969 through June 27, 1970, he was training full-time at Ellington to be an F-102 pilot.

Bush volunteered to serve in a unit at the very moment it was seeing combat in Vietnam, and only a restructuring of the unit's mission before he completed his flight training made it unlikely he would fly in combat. And he was never AWOL - he completed his required service and even served beyond the minimum.

SKB owes the president an apology.

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