I believe you can be deported for that! :-)
rubbish... on the contrary, i should be given a medal.
Not that I disagree.
see ? i knew you would see it my way.
No. I have tasted some **** from some of them too.
ok... here and there, i agree.
1. Hardly all cars on the road are BMWs.
BMW: i was making the point about the capabilities of the new cars... toyotas and many others have the same... no, no all cars are BMW's but so what, a non BMW is not automatically a piece of crap either....
as for old beaters... com'on where are the incentives...? instead of paying subsidies and new gestapo style officers at the EPA, you should be giving incentives, (if not FINES) in order to get rid of any car older than 5 years, AND those other cars that cannot pass a reasonably strict emissions test.
2. I have no doubt that a well conducted study would show a correlation between speed and accidents and death regardless of the car and road. The time you have to react to stay out of trouble in the first place is reduced at higher speeds. And there are things that can happen at high speeds that NO technology can save you from.
Ah... one of them s c a r y hobgoblins... false and rubbish again... read on... here is your study and a fact:
if # 2 were ANY where close to the truth, the entire German nation would be dying in the Autobahn...
closer to home...
the state of Montana had for many years "safe and reasonable" as speed limit... until some crying cow came and said that no federal subsidies would be given until they would change that law (which by then it was seen as a "rogue" state as it was the only one that had any common sense in the land... (not to mention the word "reasonable" --which as you may know, it is heressy around politicians and bureaucrats)... you know, like a nut stuck up their butts... because it was actually functioning... so a few years ago... puff... they killed it.
let's not forget that... Hidden in all this discussions.... "speeding" tickets when such law was in effect, (tere was no numerical guideline, the coppers --as usual-- they do what they damned well please, so they imposed a "de facto" speed of 80 - 90 as limit to "reasonable" but the real point: te fine : it was a " waste of natural resources and the fine was $5.00...
was that good for the state/county treasury ?
of course.... NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT
and guess what...? Germany is not being "murdered" by evil pilots in Mercedes, Audis, BMW, or Porsches... AND as a matter of fact... MORE accidents are being recorded in the state of Montana after the speed limit was imposed...
read on.. here is your study....
hwysafety.com
Here is what the Montana data shows. (chart below) After all the politically correct safety programs were in place and fully operational, complete with federal safety funds, more laws and citations being issued. Here are the results.
1. After the new Speed Limits were established, interstates fatal accidents went up 111%. From a modern low of 27 with no daytime limits, to a new high of 56 fatal accidents with speed limits.
2. On interstates and federal primary highways combined, Montana went from a modern low of 101 with no daytime limits, to a new high of 143 fatal accidents with speed limits.
3. After a 6 year downward trend in the percentage of multiple vehicle accidents on its 2 lane primary highways, multiple vehicle accident rates increased again.
4. With the expectation of higher speed when there was no daytime limit, Montana’s seat belt usage was well above the national average on its highways without a primary law, lane and road courtesy increased, speeds remained relatively stable and fatal accidents dropped to a modern low. After the new limits, fatal accidents climbed to a modern high on these classifications of highway, road courtesy decreased and flow conflict accidents rose again.
All the important observations made in original research paper remain very germane in regards to this doubling of fatal accidents on Montana’s highways. (February 2000, Montana: No Speed Limit Safety Paradox) The following excerpts tell the story.
The story:
motorists.com
NMA Press Releases
Montana: No Speed Limit-Safety Paradox
The no daytime speed limit results are in.
By Chad Dornsife, 2/11/00
In 1996, the State of Montana reverted to the state speed limit policies that existed prior to 1974 and the National Maximum Speed Limit. The National Maximum Speed Limit was repealed in December of 1995. Montana returned to the use of Reasonable and Prudent speed limits on its federal and state highways.
Reasonable and Prudent speed limits are not based on numerical maximums, but rather they require motorists to drive at speeds considered safe for prevailing conditions.
Despite concerted efforts by the Montana State Patrol, Attorney General and Governor to replace the "reasonable and prudent" law with numerical speed limits, the state legislature refused to do so. The Montana State Patrol chose to enforce a de-facto threshold of an 80-90 mph limit for Reasonable and Prudent enforcement.
During a challenge of such a ticket, in 1998, the Montana Supreme Court declared the Reasonable and Prudent Speed Limit unconstitutional, on the basis of vagueness. For the following five months Montana had no form of daytime speed limit on its rural highways.
The following discussion is an analysis and comparison of Montana's experience with the Reasonable and Prudent speed limit, no speed limit in any form, and fixed numerical speed limits on two classifications of highway: 4 lane Interstate and rural federal-aid primary two lane highways.
In 1999, after 4 years of no numerical or posted daytime speed limit on these classifications of highways, outside of urban areas, Montana recorded its lowest fatality rate.
Research scientists and engineers have long known that there are sometimes unexpected results from changes in public policies. Ironically, the paradox of no posted speed limits and low fatalities is no surprise to the traffic safety engineering community.
For years, motorists' advocates have used engineering-based facts against artificially low speed limits. They have claimed that by raising speed limits to reasonable levels, accident and fatality rates will actually be reduced. This seemingly wild assertion has been documented by the traffic engineering profession for 50 plus years. This fact-based position has again been proven to be true by the repeal of the National Speed Limit. The nation has recorded the lowest highway fatality rate since such records have been kept.
What about the extreme of No Speed Limits on 4 lane Interstate and rural federal-aid primary two lane highways? These same fact-based engineers point to the German Autobahn, where, with no speed limits, authorities are consistently reporting lower fatality rates than comparable US highways.
For the last 5 months of no daytime limits in Montana, the period after its Supreme Court had ruled that the Reasonable and Prudent law was unconstitutional, reported fatal accident rate declined to a record low. Fixed speed limits were reinstated on Memorial Day weekend 1999. Since then, fatal accidents have begun to rise again.
This begs the question, do people change the way they drive when there is no speed limit? The evidence suggests the answer is yes. The measured vehicle speeds only changed a few miles per hour as predicted - comparable to data collected from other western states. What changed? The two most obvious changes were improved lane courtesy and increased seat belt use. Did other driving habits and patterns change as well?
The lower-than-US fatality rates on the German Autobahn (where flow management is the primary safety strategy), and now Montana's experience, would indicate that using speed limits and speed enforcement as the cornerstone of US highway safety policy is a major mistake. It is time to accept the fact that increases in traffic speeds are the natural byproduct of advancing technology. People do, in fact, act in a reasonable and responsible manner without constant government intervention.
The Montana experience solidifies the long held traffic engineering axioms, "people don't automatically drive faster when the speed limit is raised, speed limit signs will not automatically decrease accident rates nor increase safety, and highways with posted speed limits are not necessarily safer than highways without posted limits.
The study on the effects of no daytime speed limits in Montana is clear. Traffic safety, if anything, actually improved without posted limits or massive enforcement efforts. Highway safety wasn't compromised nor can the lowest fatality rates recorded in modern times be ignored. Something happened, it was positive, and it needs further research to analyze what worked and why.
Nuts. First of all, the biggest determinant of accidents between cars is speed difference. You are ALWAYS going to have great granma and granpa doing 50. If some one comes roaring at them in the same lane doing 180....
Once again.... worgn....
the main reason vary ... why ? becase weather affects conditions making any test difficult to perform from a uniform base....
However.... here are a few "myths" for you...
auto.consumerguide.com
A decade ago, authorities in Florida commissioned research to determine where best to concentrate enforcement resources to maximize their safety benefit. Statewide, this 1993 study found "Speed Too Fast" placed a distant fifth on the list of accident causes at just 2.2 percent. A 1994 follow-up study in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties found 1.5 percent of accidents and seven percent of fatalities "caused by speed." Of nearly 23,000 accidents investigated in Palm Beach Country, approximately 13,000 were attributed to "careless driving," 7,000 to "failure to yield," 2,000 to "improper lane changes," and only 650 to "speed."
Now... please do not tell me that age, or inability is an excuse NOT to drive properly?
So... driving at 50 miles an hour on a highway is insane
another thing is that if you have better standards to issue licenses, you would then have... surprise !! better drivers....
And a good driver is... MORE ALERT... and KNOWS his/her limits....
So please, please, please... do not tell me that "Speed Kills"
That is as lame as saying ... GUNS KILL...
Guns do not kill, it is the person pulling the trigger that does it... same with "speed" it is the moron behind the wheel/acelerator that does the killing... now... under what conditions...
I bet you that the most common cause of highway accidents s a combination of distraction AND falling asleep. (that is assuming you can cpmpile all data in some sort of UNIFORM way.
Same essentially. What triggered the camera? How do you KNOW the light hadn't changed earlier? There's glare on the windsheild. How do you KNOW that's me in there. Because if someone else was driving the car, you don't get to ticket ME. You gotta ticket THEM.
No...
it does NOT matter what triggered the camera... if you crossed the " imaginary" line of the red liht... WHO CARES what triggered the camera.. you are "off side" mate, you jump the gun, you are off the line... you are f****... pay the ticket please....
Speed.... there are open questions, as it is a "motion that needs to reach certain speed... the sensors may be off... the camera took your picture BUT it does NOT tell you how fast you were going. there is "reasonable doubt" that can be raised...
whereas... you crossed the line.... you were caught... infraganti it is there for all to see....
portalmix.com
ROFLOL
How do you KNOW that's me in there. Because if someone else was driving the car, you don't get to ticket ME. You gotta ticket THEM.
Hey... I did not make the rule, you go tell them... as far as I am concerned, all these laws and cameras...they can all stick them up their gazziga piper mon... |
